Steve Xcite
Hi Guys, I have just got "Mixed In Key 7" which I have just used to find the Key with new mp3s. Which all works Great. I have done some research & Mixed in key seem to be the best program to detected the key. When I transfer the tracks to VDJ 8 & Batch Scan the mp3s (Like I do with all my Mp3s) VDJ scans a different key & places it in the tag over the mixed in key tag. how do I stop the Key from been overwritten by VDJ 8. So the Tag Key remains the mixed in key tag??
Inviato Fri 20 Nov 15 @ 4:07 pm
wickedmix
Maybe some day they will let us choose til then you can tell MIK to write to comments and use that instead
Inviato Fri 20 Nov 15 @ 4:39 pm
jaakko
+1
Inviato Fri 20 Nov 15 @ 5:23 pm
groovindj
Several users have asked Atomix to change this behaviour, so that DJs can opt to choose between using MIK or VDJ to scan/display key info.
However there was a recent post saying (in essence) that it's not going to happen. :-(
VDJ 7 was biased towards minor keys, but if a key already existed in a file tag then it would be left alone.
Now although VDJ 8 is better at key detection, MIK still rules the roost for accuracy according to published comparisons so it's unfortunate that Atomix are not permitting use of "third party" keys and overwriting / ignoring them.
However there was a recent post saying (in essence) that it's not going to happen. :-(
VDJ 7 was biased towards minor keys, but if a key already existed in a file tag then it would be left alone.
Now although VDJ 8 is better at key detection, MIK still rules the roost for accuracy according to published comparisons so it's unfortunate that Atomix are not permitting use of "third party" keys and overwriting / ignoring them.
Inviato Fri 20 Nov 15 @ 7:28 pm
kradcliffe
Yet 8.1 incorporates music groups (again) that no one is the least bit interested in. So much for listening to users.
Inviato Fri 20 Nov 15 @ 8:39 pm
A Man and His Music
Come on, a couple of guys does not equal the majority. I'm sure if it were a majority of the users interested, they may take a look. Unfortunately, that's life.
Inviato Fri 20 Nov 15 @ 11:20 pm
Steve Xcite
I think that there should be a option to just leave the tag along. I use Tag & Rename to do all my tags & mix in key for the key. Other DJ software just leave the tags. It maybe something VDJ could thing about.
You can import the cue points the MiK saves so why not the Key..
You can import the cue points the MiK saves so why not the Key..
Inviato Mon 23 Nov 15 @ 10:52 am
Mobile Zombie
Steve Xcite wrote :
I think that there should be a option to just leave the tag along. I use Tag & Rename to do all my tags & mix in key for the key. Other DJ software just leave the tags. It maybe something VDJ could thing about.
You can import the cue points the MiK saves so why not the Key..
You can import the cue points the MiK saves so why not the Key..
Hello! So you mean that MIK can create cue points by itself automatically? Then transferred to VDJ 8?
Inviato Mon 23 Nov 15 @ 11:30 am
VDJ Ron
I've just been to the MIK website, the cost is @ £50 which is good value.
However they want an Internet connection.
That's a deal breaker in my eyes.
I'm fed up with everything and its dog running backwards and forwards through my firewall.
I'll wait for Atomix to improve their key detection.
Anyway there might be a quite good free program, I'm off to look.
However they want an Internet connection.
That's a deal breaker in my eyes.
I'm fed up with everything and its dog running backwards and forwards through my firewall.
I'll wait for Atomix to improve their key detection.
Anyway there might be a quite good free program, I'm off to look.
Inviato Mon 23 Nov 15 @ 3:11 pm
VDJ Ron
Any comments about Keyfinder?
http://www.ibrahimshaath.co.uk/keyfinder/
http://www.ibrahimshaath.co.uk/keyfinder/
Inviato Mon 23 Nov 15 @ 3:25 pm
VDJ Ron
This link is likely to give an excellent estimation of the capabilities of key finding programs.
http://ibrahimshaath.co.uk/keyfinder/comparison.pdf
These bar charts are constructed by an almost independent well qualified software scientist.
He is not trying to part you from your money.
Why can't Atomix hire this guy?
Key detection is important.
Note: We do seem to be tail enders. I'm a bit annoyed, and also feel slightly humiliated.
http://ibrahimshaath.co.uk/keyfinder/comparison.pdf
These bar charts are constructed by an almost independent well qualified software scientist.
He is not trying to part you from your money.
Why can't Atomix hire this guy?
Key detection is important.
Note: We do seem to be tail enders. I'm a bit annoyed, and also feel slightly humiliated.
Inviato Mon 23 Nov 15 @ 3:32 pm
VDJ Ron
I have downloaded Keyfinder 1.25 for Windows?
The OSX version is 1.26?
Lets see what I've got.
The OSX version is 1.26?
Lets see what I've got.
Inviato Mon 23 Nov 15 @ 3:48 pm
the SOUND INSURGENT
I've used Keyfinder for years now and its pretty good.
But in the end these programs are just giving me a general base to work with because in the end my ears will tell me what's good.
But in the end these programs are just giving me a general base to work with because in the end my ears will tell me what's good.
Inviato Mon 23 Nov 15 @ 4:27 pm
VDJ Ron
Beatbreaker, you've given a big +1 to Keyfinder !
I'm analysing a batch of 500 songs at this moment.
I'm analysing a batch of 500 songs at this moment.
Inviato Mon 23 Nov 15 @ 4:37 pm
VDJ Ron
Hm I've used this before, a good few years ago. I've just remembered about setting up the custom codes, I had a little trouble with one or two. Something to do with sharps also corresponding to flats.
Here is a old @2012 review from DigitalDJtips https://www.digitaldjtips.com/2012/02/review-keyfinder-key-detection-software/
Wiki https://github.com/ibsh/is_KeyFinder/wiki
Here is a old @2012 review from DigitalDJtips https://www.digitaldjtips.com/2012/02/review-keyfinder-key-detection-software/
Wiki https://github.com/ibsh/is_KeyFinder/wiki
Inviato Mon 23 Nov 15 @ 5:02 pm
VDJ Ron
Where the hell are the experts?
I remember something about VDJ8 using a different numeric system to Camelot. The point being that it is the relationship between the analyzed keys which is important.
Hence VDJ8 could get every key wrong and still outperform the best programs.
Remember it's about how one song relates to another.
I've done all this @ 4 years ago, and forgot.
Also VDJ8 has two modes.
I doubt the people posting on VDJ 8's key finding capabilities have any idea of how VDJ 8 works when being used for harmonic mixing.
I remember something about VDJ8 using a different numeric system to Camelot. The point being that it is the relationship between the analyzed keys which is important.
Hence VDJ8 could get every key wrong and still outperform the best programs.
Remember it's about how one song relates to another.
I've done all this @ 4 years ago, and forgot.
Also VDJ8 has two modes.
I doubt the people posting on VDJ 8's key finding capabilities have any idea of how VDJ 8 works when being used for harmonic mixing.
Inviato Mon 23 Nov 15 @ 5:42 pm
VDJ Ron
Keyfinder analysis is now written to my 70's song folder. I hope I got all my custom codes right. I have written both normal, and Camelot numeric key codes to the song tags.
Hm I should have saved the custom codes in VDJ 8 numeric fashion.
Atomix have a little world of their own!
Hm I should have saved the custom codes in VDJ 8 numeric fashion.
Atomix have a little world of their own!
Inviato Mon 23 Nov 15 @ 5:52 pm
VDJ Ron
Well it's done, 500 songs analyzed using the normal, and numeric keys, both being written to the song comment tags, and then displayed in the VDJ 8 browser.
Is it worth the effort?
Any comments please...
Is it worth the effort?
Any comments please...
Inviato Mon 23 Nov 15 @ 6:06 pm
VDJ Ron
It's possible that VDJ 8 is not very good at minor key detection.
That might be its big weakness.
The major keys detected by VDJ 8, and Keyfinder demonstrate a good correlation.
Hence most major keys will be detected correctly by VDJ 8.
That might be its big weakness.
The major keys detected by VDJ 8, and Keyfinder demonstrate a good correlation.
Hence most major keys will be detected correctly by VDJ 8.
Inviato Mon 23 Nov 15 @ 6:42 pm
VDJ Ron
This image contains the Keyfinder custom codes which correspond to the Camelot wheel...
In the Keyfinder preferences I selected both (which writes the normal and Camelot key codes) and Overwrite the Comment tag.
It is important to tick the option "Write to tags/filenames automatically during batch jobs"
Also I ticked the parallelise option.
To use this program just select the songs for analysis, and "drag and drop" them into the Keyfinder window, then just press the Run Batch Analysis button.
In the Keyfinder preferences I selected both (which writes the normal and Camelot key codes) and Overwrite the Comment tag.
It is important to tick the option "Write to tags/filenames automatically during batch jobs"
Also I ticked the parallelise option.
To use this program just select the songs for analysis, and "drag and drop" them into the Keyfinder window, then just press the Run Batch Analysis button.
Inviato Mon 23 Nov 15 @ 7:25 pm
