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jboerlage wrote :
A real DJ uses belt driven turntables, the belt is to be kept on a continuous temperature of 22,39 degrees Celsius for the optimum viscosity. The DJ uses his fingers continuously on the records to keep correcting the bias of the speed of the turntable, therefor he must know his turntables better than his wife, kids, dog and lover. A real DJ does not use headphones, he rests his ear over the record and pre-listens purely in the audible sound. To determine the key of the record he will use his musical ear, its, by big exception, allowed to use a set of small tuning forks to guide him in this process. Its not allowed to write the detected key on the records. They are to be kept spotless clean.


To quote the font of all knowledge that is Wikipedia: (ahem)

"A disc jockey, also known as DJ, is a person who plays recorded music for an audience. Originally, "disc" (sometimes spelled "disk", although this is now uncommon) referred to phonograph records, not the later Compact Discs. Today, the term includes all forms of music playback, no matter the medium."

Long live the mp3...
 
Kinda makes you wonder why turntablists are using VDJ...
 




lol imo sync button is for lazy people
 
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dj ho productions wrote :
WOW!!! I really thought this debate was over and done with.


I guess the good folks at Atomix are doing thier job well, if this is all people have to complain about!

I will say this, the Sync button does not look for the down beat of a measure. The CBG often gets that wrong. You will mess up a TON of mixes if you trust that the CBG and BPM are perfect every time. I bet I have to manually fix 50%+ of my music. THEN the sync button works every time for me. But that is because I know how to find the down beat. Sync is only a shortcut at that point.

After that, I use the headphones to line up the tracks, in a sense that I keep dualing vocals out of the mix, off beats, etc. But I time it so the next vocal starts where the last song ends. No Sync button does that, so I am not sure why you are all worried about here.

Who cares if I can step in front of every other system that I don't know and operate it with the same level. I have so many back ups that I can literally sawp a drive or a full blown computer out in minutes (literally) and be up and running before most can even find thier crash report!

I say, with all due respect to your tallents, how dare you "Vinyl Only" guys not be full blown Geek Squad members! Let the games begin! ;)
 
"Kinda makes you wonder why turntablists are using VDJ..."

They use Serato Scratch. Never seen a single turntablist with a computer in a club use VDJ or Traktor. One of the reasons is quite simply because it has no sync. In pro circles amongst turntablists, that's a cred factor. A very simply DVS with transparent sound to the source, without sync, without visual waveform beatmatching, very basic vinyl-style vertical waveform display for each track would probably do quite well in the market. Maybe a Virtual DJ Ultra Lite, or something, and just give it away for free. That’d probably go a long way to giving the VDJ branding cred. I personally like all the options available in something like Torq, that way I can have elaborate MIDI mappings, loops, see my waveforms in case some track is very difficult to beatmatch just be ear, VSTs, and Rewire it into Ableton.
 
And there was me thinking this thread had died away .........
 
As long as we have different views - we will have discussions about them.
No end in sight and no winner. :D
 
The only people that care about what software DJ's are using, are other DJ's. They dont pay my bills. If they did every night would be a DJ Q-Bert DMC Championship, and I ain't going to win that.

-David
 
i dont think there's a problem with a DJ using any automatic tools. why should i walk the long old journey when there's a smooth brand new safe short cut? huh? Virtual team, Apple, Sony and other big technology Co.s took their time and created the buttons. press the SYNC button if you like. i dont think the club manager will fire you for that
 
Thank You and Have a Happy Holiday.

LOCKED BY AMAHM
 
This sentence should stop everything :
A computer will never replace the creativity of a humain being. And when you know that, the debate is over.
Plus the sync button allows us to have even more creativity : faster live mashups.

Take it like that. The end.
 
I love reading this thread from time to time. Been in this game almost 30 yrs. Proud sync user. I have nothing to prove.
 
lucas569 wrote :
I love reading this thread from time to time. Been in this game almost 30 yrs. Proud sync user. I have nothing to prove.


my two cents before AMaHM locks it for good 30 years started on lousy belt driven (nothing but large rubber bands) turntables UP TO Technics 1200'S fought cds for quite a bit but upgraded then same with digital, fought it with a passion, Why ??? felt like I would lose my sense on feel to bring it in... hit the scene n the early 80's disco out MTV in .... learned to beat mix disco ... hardest thing to do but made it fly got more and more proficient and learned to read crowds picking out right track at right time .. now its all old hat but still when get some free time I REHEARSE still can read a crowd with the best of them....

lemme say this reading the crowd beat mixing/juggling its all good

but after all said and done if it makes life easier __---- I USE THE SYNC BUTTON AS A TOOL -----

once a required skill READING CROWDS (keep em dancing when they get sweaty and tired they will drink) ... was told at one night at my newest residency ( old skool dance style 80s to today ) that I was doing TOO good a job keeping the floor moving but they need to drink. Guys I tried EVERYTHING from low end hip hop to a slam into LMFAO or Pitbull..... they stayed ..... from pitbull latin house mix to a funky skrillex remix of SHOTS (yes I pre-listened to it and not too recognizable ) they stayed .... slam to rock (hairbands) THEY STAYED on the dance floor... I even tried BALLADS at 11:30 on a Friday night with the club FULL the FLOOR full .... THEY STAYED ... ever hear or do such a thing ??? if not then pay your dues USE THE TOOLS learn the craft the sync button is a tool it does help in SOME instances (more if you are in a 120-126 range ALL NIGHT LONG been there done that) but don't use it to try and mix 110 into 135 you will crash and burn more often learn when to sync and not to sync. learn the craft. respect those trailblazers like AMaHM and those others like myself who have been at this a HELLUVA lot longer and we STILL IN THIS BIATCH!!!!!!


We now return you to your regularly schedule forum .... Rick Lock it down brother and don't forget to TURN out the lights




DJ Skorpion King

30+yrs

3 residencies playing 6 nights a week
 
beat matching will not matter if the crowd is not feeling the song. . . . now think about that for a minute. song selection and being able to read the crowd is wayyyyyyy more important.
 
gimmo wrote :
beat matching will not matter if the crowd is not feeling the song. . . . now think about that for a minute. song selection and being able to read the crowd is wayyyyyyy more important.


phuck yeah....
iv had ppl leave the dance floor coz of a wrong selection of track, but this track was no shity. it was prolly out dated for that crowd but others love it, so i quickly find a bangers track and BOOM, welcome back to my dance floor
 
Im sure Ill be flamed but why is it this forum is always so worried about the sync button, WHY??

Stop kicking the dead horse already geez........
 
The "Sync vs no Sync" debate is akin to a "gun vs sword" debate. The event is a battlefield and the sync button is a weapon and it's not the latter. ; ).


Sync up my friends.
 
Hello

Just thought I would ad my 2 cents on this issue since it seems like I am the only one who has not yet expressed an opinion.

My Background:
Started djing 1968 using thrones TD 124s and a Altec Lansing tube integrated amp configured for 2 T tables with a switch.
Now at my old grizzled old age I confine myself to the occasional party plus regular internet radio shows on cyberjamz.com and housestationradio.com.

The following is just as true now as it was in 1968.

The most important factor in creating a good set is playing the right record (track ,etc...) at the right time. PERIOD. Everything else is window dressing.

Using the sync button is a tool to get the BPM roughly lined up. You need to ride that sucker in to make fine adjustments. Then Counting the beats, mixing in key, and making fine EQ adjustments all serve to make the program more professional.

Just an old man providing grandfatherly advice.
 
All the Dj's I know go out there to play music that will get their dance floors packed with dancers all night, and for that, all that is needed is the right music.
Some of the Dj's I know Mix the tracks in, some just start another when the last one has finished, some talk on the mic all the time, some say hardly anything on the mic all night (as I do), some use the Sync button, Some don't use it, some of them don't even know what it's for & Hey!! Guess what? It doesn't matter because, as they are playing the right music the dance floor is packed with happy people.

I use the Sync button all the time because as it was stated right at the beginning of this thread, why would you adjust the tempo slider manually when the Sync button will get you there in one click so you can then make fine adjustments and concentrate on the important bit of getting the mix right?

A question for the Sync button haters.

If you went to see two dj's perform live and one used the Sync button and his mixing was perfect all night long, and the other didn't use the Sync button and their mixes were so bad it made you cringe all night would they still be a better dj than the one that used the Sync button in your mind?

Just to show how pathetic I think the Sync haters are, when I make a hot drink I switch the kettle. Is the drink I made not a proper one as I didn't bash two stones together to make Fire? Technology advances with everything that we do. Either you use that technology or you don't, the decision is yours. Make your own minds up, then shut up and stop all the hate.
 
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