kradcliffe
I'm really struggling to figure out how Automix actually works, and it's relationship with POI points. Is there an in-depth guide to how it is supposed to work anywhere?
I have spent some considerable time trying to get tracks to mix together (mostly "chop" type mixes) but whatever I set as automix POI they are still out when actually running automix. Fade out cut in seems the most appropriate for my needs but doesn't work properly all of the time .... and I have reported this previously. It seems that when automix time is set at 0 seconds it's not going to the actual point set but moving back which defeats the 0s setting. see below. If I set it at 1s then the end point moves further towards the end which isn't logical. 0s should use a preset exit point at the very end of the song. I have also noticed when using the 0s setting it's sometimes chopping off the start of the next song so it probably needs sorted.
I'm guessing setting "nix full start" and "mix full exit" points should work correctly in this scenario?
Basically what I'm trying to do is create a batch of dance edits that can run in Automix and when one song stops dead on the last beat the next one starts on the first beat. Shouldn't be that difficult ..... right?
Any help appreciated.
I have spent some considerable time trying to get tracks to mix together (mostly "chop" type mixes) but whatever I set as automix POI they are still out when actually running automix. Fade out cut in seems the most appropriate for my needs but doesn't work properly all of the time .... and I have reported this previously. It seems that when automix time is set at 0 seconds it's not going to the actual point set but moving back which defeats the 0s setting. see below. If I set it at 1s then the end point moves further towards the end which isn't logical. 0s should use a preset exit point at the very end of the song. I have also noticed when using the 0s setting it's sometimes chopping off the start of the next song so it probably needs sorted.
I'm guessing setting "nix full start" and "mix full exit" points should work correctly in this scenario?
Basically what I'm trying to do is create a batch of dance edits that can run in Automix and when one song stops dead on the last beat the next one starts on the first beat. Shouldn't be that difficult ..... right?
Any help appreciated.
Inviato Wed 21 Feb 18 @ 5:21 pm
kradcliffe
Done a bit more investigation, and the issue definitely seems to be with the 0s setting in Fade out cut in
It's not respecting the "mix full start" and "mix full exit" points.
Can this be investigated and fixed please?
It's not respecting the "mix full start" and "mix full exit" points.
Can this be investigated and fixed please?
Inviato Wed 21 Feb 18 @ 6:29 pm
locoDog
Been awhile since I bothered do anything with automix (probably automix prepare pad page), I still use it to just play music round the house.
The thing about automix points they are always 'start here' so start mixing in here, start mixing out here and then it's the time setting that determines when the mixing stops.
I'd propose more types of points stuff like cut in 50 % here, cut back here, cut in 100% here, be mixed out (for the various mix types) by here, and also propose mix duration in beats
Sorry I can't give much help other than my rambling but I would recommend both my automix pad pages (live and prepare) they may help you get the nuances.
The thing about automix points they are always 'start here' so start mixing in here, start mixing out here and then it's the time setting that determines when the mixing stops.
I'd propose more types of points stuff like cut in 50 % here, cut back here, cut in 100% here, be mixed out (for the various mix types) by here, and also propose mix duration in beats
Sorry I can't give much help other than my rambling but I would recommend both my automix pad pages (live and prepare) they may help you get the nuances.
Inviato Wed 21 Feb 18 @ 7:00 pm
kradcliffe
Any news on this from Dev Team?
Would love to have this working correctly.
Would love to have this working correctly.
Inviato Fri 23 Feb 18 @ 9:13 am
Adion
Both fade (remove silence) and fade out, cut in use the 'full' automix points, which are automatically set at the start and end of where silence is detected.
For fade out, cut in, it is still possible that the fade out point is shifted a little bit to match the beat grid of the other song.
For fade (remove silence), it is still possible that the fade in point is shifted to align the beat grids.
So that could explain why your set points are not exactly taken.
For fade out, cut in, it is still possible that the fade out point is shifted a little bit to match the beat grid of the other song.
For fade (remove silence), it is still possible that the fade in point is shifted to align the beat grids.
So that could explain why your set points are not exactly taken.
Inviato Fri 23 Feb 18 @ 3:41 pm
kradcliffe
OK, so is it possible to add an automix (manual) mode so it takes the in and out points as they are set (which is what I thought the zero second setting was for)?
Thanks Adion
Thanks Adion
Inviato Fri 23 Feb 18 @ 5:26 pm
kradcliffe
Bump!
Inviato Mon 12 Mar 18 @ 9:57 pm
MixMaker
locodog wrote :
Been awhile since I bothered do anything with automix (probably automix prepare pad page), I still use it to just play music round the house.
The thing about automix points they are always 'start here' so start mixing in here, start mixing out here and then it's the time setting that determines when the mixing stops.
I'd propose more types of points stuff like cut in 50 % here, cut back here, cut in 100% here, be mixed out (for the various mix types) by here, and also propose mix duration in beats
The thing about automix points they are always 'start here' so start mixing in here, start mixing out here and then it's the time setting that determines when the mixing stops.
I'd propose more types of points stuff like cut in 50 % here, cut back here, cut in 100% here, be mixed out (for the various mix types) by here, and also propose mix duration in beats
This should be definitely considered.
Inviato Sat 25 Jun 22 @ 10:15 pm
MacGyverGear
I just invested some time in this too. Some of the intro is partly skipped while having moved all POI markers (excluding beat markers) to the beginning of a song. What basicly happens (and goes wrong I think) is that when "moving silence is selected some intro's will be cut and a song is started on the Beat gridanker (First Beat). This generally created.. and some songs with an intro with just a softly picking guitar is not played completely. Maybe a fade in can maskerate / blend things a little but when moving the Beat gridanker 2 beats back, the intro seems to be played complete. For a quiet background this can save a lot work.. while finishing stage and stuff. But when wanna change clothes or rushing through the crowd, to finally get some drinks (or something) the silence between two tracks is too much of a gap.
I just red this topic also: https://www.virtualdj.com/forums/226076/VirtualDJ_Technical_Support/AutoMix__Full__Exit_POI_keeps_changing_location_according_to_next_song_in_automix_list.html
Somebody was mentioning just what I experienced and is menioned here... The fade out of a song played and the fade in. When "skip silence" is selected there is no overlap in sound.
But a Short tail of the fade out and the new song starting to play without fade in, would sound much better. think.
Before Virtual DJ I used OTSAV software..This software also analyses songs and transitions are always perfect. No settings just smooth transitions without fade in. Whether a track ending is fade out or has an abrubt songending.. Face to Face - Pete Townshend for example. The new song always started at the right moment.. a small overlap without being a mess..
I had it installed a few months ago but now my old laptop died.. and have to move lincense somehow..
But with just a little tweaks "Automix transitions" could sound so much smoother.. : An option to disable fade in for example.. The Automix editor comes in handy to check whether songs will skip intro when having to leaving the venue for a short while..
What are your experiences / workarounds on this??
I just red this topic also: https://www.virtualdj.com/forums/226076/VirtualDJ_Technical_Support/AutoMix__Full__Exit_POI_keeps_changing_location_according_to_next_song_in_automix_list.html
Somebody was mentioning just what I experienced and is menioned here... The fade out of a song played and the fade in. When "skip silence" is selected there is no overlap in sound.
But a Short tail of the fade out and the new song starting to play without fade in, would sound much better. think.
Before Virtual DJ I used OTSAV software..This software also analyses songs and transitions are always perfect. No settings just smooth transitions without fade in. Whether a track ending is fade out or has an abrubt songending.. Face to Face - Pete Townshend for example. The new song always started at the right moment.. a small overlap without being a mess..
I had it installed a few months ago but now my old laptop died.. and have to move lincense somehow..
But with just a little tweaks "Automix transitions" could sound so much smoother.. : An option to disable fade in for example.. The Automix editor comes in handy to check whether songs will skip intro when having to leaving the venue for a short while..
What are your experiences / workarounds on this??
Inviato Mon 16 Sep 24 @ 4:53 pm
MacGyverGear
Been messing some more.. The setting "Fade out, Cut in (Remove Silence)" seems to sound much better.. (at 1 second fading time).
Will continue experimenting with this setting and if there's any removal of intro's I'll look into the POI's. What really seems to help with this setting is that in the Automix editor, overlapped parts are colored blue and played together, instead canceling the track to be played in its intro.
Will continue experimenting with this setting and if there's any removal of intro's I'll look into the POI's. What really seems to help with this setting is that in the Automix editor, overlapped parts are colored blue and played together, instead canceling the track to be played in its intro.
Inviato Mon 16 Sep 24 @ 6:53 pm
dublinmike
kradcliffe wrote :
Done a bit more investigation, and the issue definitely seems to be with the 0s setting in Fade out cut in
It's not respecting the "mix full start" and "mix full exit" points.
Can this be investigated and fixed please?
It's not respecting the "mix full start" and "mix full exit" points.
Can this be investigated and fixed please?
I had the same issues, all of my bar stuff is automix and for some dance tracks that begin with that irritating 16 beat kick-snace kick-snare i tried to modify the entry point for AM. No chance, nothing worked.
Inviato Fri 27 Sep 24 @ 9:22 am
kradcliffe
On that note I'm using fade, remove silence and it's still cutting the first beat off some tracks.
Inviato Fri 27 Sep 24 @ 9:46 am