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Topic: 5.0 Rev 2 Karaoke problem persists

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Hi Guys,
Cstoll asked me to create another post about my on going Karaoke problem so it can stay on the board and hopefully find a resolution.
Here's what's happening. Whenever I click on my karaoke folder in the left window of the browser, the program locks up. My MP3 and VOB folders all operate pefectly as they did in 4.3, but the karaoke folders are a problem.
I have changed my settings according to Cstll's post in the PC Technical support section, but the problem persists. I have checked my HD for errors on both windows and virtual. I've cleaned, checked and fixed in the Config. window many times. I've right clicked and cliced on add to DB many times. Nothing works.
My Karaoke folders an files are CDG and MP3 and are not compressed or zipped in any way. I have 1 Karaoke folder which has sub-folders in it with Karaoke files. I have recursed several times, but again, nothing works.
The only way I can use my karaoke files is to click on one of my musiic MP3 folders and then type the title of the karaoke song I'm looking for in the search bar. The file will show up in the browser amongst all the MP3's ad VOB files. I can not however click on the karaoke folder directly to view it's contents. The program locks. 4.3 did not have any of these issues.
 
Inviato Wed 12 Sep 07 @ 6:03 am
From the other thread -
blaide13 wrote :
i read your post in the PC technical section and set the browser settings to Add ASAP and also set te tagging to "Smart". Now Karaoke files that I couldn't find before, I can find now.



Now that you have the data 'discovered' for the files. Go back and set the ID3Tags to 'Read on Load' and the Search DB to 'Add Manually'

How do things react? And I don't think it's a NON-Zipped issue. Can't explain it at this point completely but, we will figure it out...
 
Cstoll,
Ok, I changed the settings back to what you reccomended and closed Virtual so it saves the changes and then reopened. I clicked on the karaoke folder and the same thing still happens. One thing I discovered last night though. The program isn't crashing or lockin up permantly. I click on the main karaoke folder and the prorgam locks up, meaning it's non responsive. However, if a song is playing on the deck, it will continue to play but I can't click anything on the skin. Everything is locked. After about 5 to 8 minutes, the karaoke files show up in the browser and the program once again works. I then click on another of the sub-folders in the main karaoke folder and again the program locks from anywhre from 2 to 10 minutes and then the Karaoke files show up in the browser and the program functions normally.
It seems to me that Virtual is reading the files extremely slow and is using all my processors resources to do so which is why it's unresponsive. That may be a totally wrong guess, but it seems to make sense to me. My processor is a Pentium 4 3.2 gig with 1 gig of Ram, Mobility Radeon 9600 video card with 128 of on board memory, a 60 gig internal hard drive (for Programs only), 3 external hard drives with all my media files. Hard drives are a Western Digital 250 gig USB2 drive (MP3 and Karaoke Files), and 3 USB2 Western Digital 500 gig Hard drives which hold VOB files. In 4.3 I never had any issues like this. Everything worked smoothly and flawlessly.
 
Take the time and go through every folder like that and let it work. Once you get through all your folders. Shut down and re-open VDJ. What happens? I know it sound crazy but please try it. That is the whole point of the 'Sorting' instruction in that post I referred you to... please try this, I know it will take awhile to get through the folders but please try...

cstoll
 
I did that with the main karaoke folder and the first sub-folder. I then recursed the main karaoke folder again and closed vj. I reopened and clicked on the main karaoke folder and it lockedc the program again for about 5 minutes until all ther files came up. I have recursed, added to DB, checked, cleaned and fixed the files with no luck. Right now I'm bpm scanning the karaoke files in the main folder using the any music option. Hopefully scanning each file will help. It should be done by tonight. I'll try then and post back.
 
Well, it's been days and all the files are scanned and now have BPM's. I closed to save and reopened. Same problem still persists. ANy other suggestions?
 
I have a question? How many karaoke files do you have because I think I know what is going on. Try this:

First, select Only from tag, Read ASAP and Add automatically:

1.) Right click on your Main Karaoke folder and select recurse (The computer will seem unresponsive but be patient) (Just FYI, I have 11,000 songs, all MP3+G like yours, and it took 25 minutes for this step)
2.) Now after the files show up just sort the songs by a field (Artist , Title) it does not matter. (This will also take maybe 5 minutes)
3.) After the karoaoke songs sort, just resort by another field (This should be very quick) a couple of seconds max, depending on the number of tracks.
4.) Close down VDJ and then restart. Right click and recurse the main Karaoke folder and it should pull everything up in just 10-15 seconds (Again depending on the number of tracks). Then your sorts should be just a matter of seconds, for all your tracks.

This might solve your problem, basically the program is adding all of the id tag info for every song when you recurse and this takes a while. When you said you selected the main folder earlier all that would have been selected and read would have been any songs in the root of that folder, none of the subfolders. You also said you only did the first folder, which means all your other songs will still have to be read.

Please post back your results.

 
I have about 35,000 files, but 4.3 handled everything without a oproblem.
I followed all the steps you outlined and the sorting took forever at first but now is almost instant. However, the problem still persists. I click on a Karaoke folder and the programs hangs anywhere from 2 to 6 minutes.
My cousin is and It guy and has played around with some programming. I spoke to him last night and explained the situation. He thinks the problem is in the database or something in the programming needs correcting as I had now problems with 4.3 with the identical files and system.
Anyone else have a suggestion or solution? I filled out a help ticket last week, but still have not gotten a reply from the support staff. Cstoll maybe you can bring this issue to their attention as you seem to have their ear.
 
I click on a Karaoke folder and the programs hangs anywhere from 2 to 6 minutes.

Are you talking about one of your subfolders or the main karaoke folder? You said that after following my steps it did work well but, I assume, after a restart you had the same problem?

Just out of curiosity, would you save your existing database elsewhere and then try to build a 5.0 database from scratch? If you do, please do as I outlined earlier for the new database and let's see what happens.

 
It hangs on all the folders, but the main Karaoke folder is the worst at about 5 minutes. It also has the most files in it. As far as saving the existing Database and building a new one, why do you think that might help? Is it because my current one is a conversion from 4.3 and there may be problems, and building one from scratch in 5.0 rev. 2 may work better? Can you give me the link to the thread where you give the step by step instructions to do so?
Also, A weird thing happened tonight. After following your steps earlier, I was on a gig tonight and a few times when I was typing in a song title in the search bar a menu bar popped up that said Sorting and the system was unresponsive for about 2 or 3 minutes while it was sorting. I could keep typing in the title of the song I was looking for and when the sorting menu disappeared, the letters I typed where in the search bar. The sorting quirk happened several times throuhout the night at totally random times.
Another thing that happened is that my database lost some files that were previously there. For example, I was on my R&B folder and typed in "Kiss" by Prince which is located in my Popular singers folder. The search results didn't show the song. They showed the Karaoke versions I have of that song, but not the MP3. I then highlighted the Popular Singers folder where the song is located and again typed Kiss in the search bar, and nothing came up. I then typed "kiss - Prince" which is exactly how I have the song labeled, and still nothing showed up. Finally I typed in "Prince" and in the list of pPrince somgs that showed up, Kiss was there. After that, I could type in Kiss in the popular singers folder or on any other folder and it now showed up.
Now, before I did the whole karaoke sorting and recursing proceedure you outlined today, all my files would show up in a search no matter if I typed artist or title, wether I was on the folder it was in or a different folder. Now I'm having trouble finding songs and I can only make them show up if I know which folder they are in and type in the artists name. Once I do that, then the title will show up anywhere I search. Maybe this happened when I changed the browser settings? Perhaps I should leave it on Smart as Cstoll recommended.
I still think there is a problem with the database in 5.0 that needs to be worked out by the developement team as theese issues didn't exist in 4.3. Cstoll, if you are reading this, can you bring it to the attention of the developers. Hopefully they will make a revision 3 that will fix these problems. I'm alsmost ready to go back to 4.3 again, but I don't want to give up yet.
 
I do think that something might be a little messed up in the database and by saving your existing we can find our real quick if there is something wrong with it or if it is something else.

Basically, just go to your 5.0 datatbase (on the root of the drive with your music) and place the word "old" on the end, so it will read "VirtualDJ Local Database v5 Old". Now move, cut, it to another location, inside another folder or on your drive. Then go to your My documents folder on your c drive and inside the Virtual DJ folder delete that database (Unless you have music on your c drive). If you do, just rename and move it as you did with the other datatbase on your external drive.

Now open VDJ, you will probably have to set your favorites again. Now do as I asked in the previous post with the recurse and all. You will have to do the same with your music also. Now all of your files will have to be scanned again but you should be able to recurse and search quickly after you do all of this.

One more thing, do you just have 5.0 installed or 3.4 and 4.3?
 
To my mind, you have too many karaoke files in the same folder and it takes too much time to search them on the HD (maybe too defragmented). Try to create subfolders in your system (you will need to scan the new files because the path of the files will change)

So follow chansin's advices and mine too

 
If the Karaoke tracks display correctly when you do a main search have you tried creating a filter folder to house all your karaoke tracks, i did this and it works a damn sight better than having a it set as a favourite folder.
 
Hey guys,
I just got to read the three newest posts you guys left. To answer one of the first questions, I started with 3.4 and installed 4.3 and 5.0 rev. 2 over it. I will try the new database proceedure mentioned by naming the current databases old, but first I'd like to try the filter folder idea that was presented. If it works, I won't have to loose all my favorite folders and BPM scans. I remember someone else saying something about that somewhere in the posts. How do I go about creating a Karaoke filter folder?
Cstoll, you may be right about me having too many karaoke folders in the Main Karaoke folder. When I first had this problem, I thought it was because there where too many subfolders which were slowing 5.0 down since it had to read into each sub-folder. I got rid of a bunch of the sub folders in the K1 subfolder and moved all the files into the main karaoke folder. Coincidentally, that is the folder with the most files and the longest to viiew. The K2 sub-folder has about 10 subfolders in it broken down alphabetically and each of those folders dosn't take much time to open.
I will try the filter folder technique first as soon as I get instructions, and if that dosn't work, I'll try getting rid of the old database and starting clean.
 
Hey guys,
Never mind the instructions for creating the filter folder. I found it in Cstolls update manual for 5.0. I used type=karaoke which was one of the examples in the manual and it was created instantly. I can browse through it with no hang ups or slow downs. I'm not sure if it has all the karaoke files in all the sub folders though. There dosn't seem to be any where to see the # of files in the folder to compare with the # of karaoke files I have in the main karaoke folder with all it's sub-folders. However, can someone confirm that the filter folder will search and list ALL karaoke iles regardless of how many sub-folders there are?
 
I have a small collection of Karaoke and here is what I have experienced.

If I select one of my folders that has about 2500 tracks in it then VirtualDJ does hang for a bit (approx ~20secs).
If I recurse my whole Karaoke structure ( about 10000+ tracks) then it hangs for about (approx ~40secs).

I know that doesn't answer your question but everything else is just a couple of seconds. So breaking down your large folder collection into smaller pieces should help.

cstoll
 
I would be very interested in hearing the answer to this question. I understand that it takes a bit longer to recurse the folder of any size... My question is not regarding recursing ... but lately when I load my first song or two , the cpu locks up at 99%, and the program locks up. It has something to do with the video I bellieve as i deactivated and the cpu dropped to about 30%. I'm trying my best to figure this out. I have used the program for almost a year now with no problems until the lasst two weeks. Please keep me in the loop. Michael
My topic was "Locks up on first song" Please read and give me your imput
thanks Michael,
 


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