I’m looking to buy a USB soundcard and I could use some help with my decision. (this is my first sound card purchase)
I want something cheap price wise but not quality (if there is such a thing) that works well with time code.
The kit im putting together is a Pioneer DJM500 Mixer, 2 X Pioneer CDJ 800MK2 sitting in a Odyssey FZGS19CDJW Coffin with VDJ PRO 4.3 … im also thinking about using X-Keys from piengineering.com .. or some other small controller (any recommendations ?).
So if you could help a brother out an let me know what sound cards have worked well for you it would be mucho appreciated.
I want something cheap price wise but not quality (if there is such a thing) that works well with time code.
The kit im putting together is a Pioneer DJM500 Mixer, 2 X Pioneer CDJ 800MK2 sitting in a Odyssey FZGS19CDJW Coffin with VDJ PRO 4.3 … im also thinking about using X-Keys from piengineering.com .. or some other small controller (any recommendations ?).
So if you could help a brother out an let me know what sound cards have worked well for you it would be mucho appreciated.
Inviato Mon 24 Sep 07 @ 8:03 pm
check out for soundcards, u46djmk2 , u4dj , numark VV
and presonous firebox
and presonous firebox
Inviato Mon 24 Sep 07 @ 8:10 pm
Maya44 USB
Inviato Mon 24 Sep 07 @ 8:22 pm
skyfxl wrote :
check out for soundcards, u46djmk2 , u4dj , numark VV
and presonous firebox
and presonous firebox
Um, thanks for rattling off the names of some USB sound cards … that’s not really what I was looking for though … and its probably my fault … I didn’t ask the question right.
What im looking for is sound cards other users have used that work well .. that are less expensive…. Ive already seen the u46djmk2 & the numark VV on VDJ’s web site (and I think both of them are expensive'ish) … the Firebox (after doing a search & finding it) is to expensive….. I cant find the u4dj.
Please .. if you are going to assist me with my purchase (thanks everyone in advance) .. put some thought/time into your posts .. im capable of doing a search on the internet and reading reviews … I’m more interested in what users of VDJ have had success with.
Inviato Mon 24 Sep 07 @ 8:24 pm
cstoll wrote :
Maya44 USB
I thought that model was discontinued ?
Inviato Mon 24 Sep 07 @ 8:26 pm
It was for a short time, but ESI brought it back earlier this year do to the popular demand.
http://www.esi-audio.com/products/maya44usb/
It is hard to find the right dealer sometimes because a lot of them still say it's discontinued on their websites.
http://www.floridamusicco.com/proddetail.asp?prod=maya44usb << Awesome DEAL $110
http://www.8thstreet.com/prod.asp?pid=21877
http://www.pssl.com/bitemdetail.tpl?eqint_keyiddata=44347
http://www.esi-audio.com/products/maya44usb/
It is hard to find the right dealer sometimes because a lot of them still say it's discontinued on their websites.
http://www.floridamusicco.com/proddetail.asp?prod=maya44usb << Awesome DEAL $110
http://www.8thstreet.com/prod.asp?pid=21877
http://www.pssl.com/bitemdetail.tpl?eqint_keyiddata=44347
Inviato Mon 24 Sep 07 @ 8:36 pm
Honestly the best sollution is to use a pci card like the delta 1010lt (which works flawlkessly), though firewire might still be better than USB. The problem with most USB cards when using ASIO drivers for timecode is instability, the USB shares IRQ with this & that and on top of sound hiccups the blue screen of death becomes more likely to happen. If firewire is an option but PCI is not then I'd recommend looking into firewire cards. Just remember, you need at least 2 stereo ins and outs for timecodes;^]
Inviato Mon 24 Sep 07 @ 8:41 pm
Tim, I would strongly disagree with your assessment. Every manufacture of DJ software uses USB as their primary connection. Serato - SL1 and TM57 = USB, Torq = USB, MixVibes = USB, VirtualVinyl = USB -- so USB is a viable technology and very usable.
Inviato Mon 24 Sep 07 @ 8:50 pm
here is a nice one :
http://www.thomann.de/thoiw8_artikel-111145.html?sn=374b429c836a9e27fabe79d37f623679
Cioce find;) as always
Inviato Mon 24 Sep 07 @ 8:54 pm
Thanks Rune, only 98€ ;)
Inviato Mon 24 Sep 07 @ 8:55 pm
I'm not say it's unusable, I'm just saying it's the least stable of the three. Most high end systems will handle it no problem, but most low end systems will have serious problems with it, especialy if you have only the minimum required RAM. But to be fair the only USB cards I've tried have been the u46dj, fast track pro & the herc mk2;^]
Inviato Mon 24 Sep 07 @ 8:56 pm
@ Tim .... Unfortunately .. my only option is USB ... i'm on a laptop with no fire wire connection. I even did a search for good PCMIA sound cards .. but didn't find any :)
@ Cstoll .... I'm glad to hear the Maya is still in production .. thats an affordable option for me.
@ DJ in Norway ... do you like the U46 better then the Maya ? ... I'm not sure I can get that in the states.
@ Cstoll .... I'm glad to hear the Maya is still in production .. thats an affordable option for me.
@ DJ in Norway ... do you like the U46 better then the Maya ? ... I'm not sure I can get that in the states.
Inviato Mon 24 Sep 07 @ 9:00 pm
Timmyg1978 wrote :
Honestly the best sollution is to use a pci card like the delta 1010lt (which works flawlkessly), though firewire might still be better than USB. The problem with most USB cards when using ASIO drivers for timecode is instability, the USB shares IRQ with this & that and on top of sound hiccups the blue screen of death becomes more likely to happen. If firewire is an option but PCI is not then I'd recommend looking into firewire cards. Just remember, you need at least 2 stereo ins and outs for timecodes;^]
Well this is a pretty acurrate post about problems many have with USB soundcards.
It might work 100% out of the box, but there are chances you get usb drop-outs and such, due to IRQ sharing problems etc.
Also, latency on a usb soundcard is 11-23 ms, while PCI cards are lots lower.
That being said, most cant even notice the difference. But USB soundcards are more sensitive to potential conflicts.
Inviato Mon 24 Sep 07 @ 9:01 pm
beach wrote :
@ DJ in Norway ... do you like the U46 better then the Maya ? ... I'm not sure I can get that in the states.
@ DJ in Norway ... do you like the U46 better then the Maya ? ... I'm not sure I can get that in the states.
Both works pretty good with VDJ, but the U46 might work better with last generation and 2 generation timecode vinyls.
u46 has hardware preamp, and in theory works better than the maya.
But most users have good experience with both.
I'd recommend trying to get the U46dj first though, if you can.
USA vendors:
http://www.esi-pro.com/where.php?division=1
Inviato Mon 24 Sep 07 @ 9:03 pm
Ahhh, well if USB is your only option I'd go with the maya, never used it myself but most folks here who have seem to be pretty satisfied with it.
@Norway, that's the first thing I noticed (latency) when I started using the delta 1010lt, lowest possible settings and still great sound and performance. That was the end of my searching for a card on my timecode system;^]
@Norway, that's the first thing I noticed (latency) when I started using the delta 1010lt, lowest possible settings and still great sound and performance. That was the end of my searching for a card on my timecode system;^]
Inviato Mon 24 Sep 07 @ 9:06 pm
The u46 is a great card once you sort out the madness with all the wonky drivers. I use 1.016 and think its the most stable out of all the drivers.
and now it comes in black with a unfortunate "mixvibes" label on it
http://www.pssl.com/bitemdetail.tpl~eqint_KeyIDdata~47051~UID~2007091108414139~TType~2~PType~T
and now it comes in black with a unfortunate "mixvibes" label on it
http://www.pssl.com/bitemdetail.tpl~eqint_KeyIDdata~47051~UID~2007091108414139~TType~2~PType~T
Inviato Mon 24 Sep 07 @ 9:10 pm
Well the U46MK2 is a better quality device. the sound rendering is better, the hardware is higher quality and it has phono preamps to play real records. its also plug and play on VISTA, XP or OSX which is nice (multi channel or dirext X driver). So it's more of a semi-pro device that you can use for a gig.
The maya works fine but is more for a beginner profile, especially if your are going to use timecoded control CD or Vinyl I don't trust the stability and have read a bunch of posts on the mixvibes forums of users having issues in clubs. Ideal for a bedroom use :)
The maya works fine but is more for a beginner profile, especially if your are going to use timecoded control CD or Vinyl I don't trust the stability and have read a bunch of posts on the mixvibes forums of users having issues in clubs. Ideal for a bedroom use :)
Inviato Fri 19 Oct 07 @ 2:10 am