dom1410
I'm going to be purchasing Virtual DJ after some long research between VDJ and Serato. My question is I'm really not a scratch DJ more of Club Mix DJ and jumping head first into Video. Which mixer should I get M-Audio Xponent or Numark NS7? I would like pro's and cons of both. One thing I'm scared with both is build quality of M-Audio and with Numark the history of its products. Remember I will mainly be beatmatching video's so please take this into consideration. I'm also open to other suggestions for Midi Mixers.
Inviato Sat 01 Aug 09 @ 12:27 pm
djcrossfade1200
m audio is crap .Numark NS7
Inviato Sat 01 Aug 09 @ 3:05 pm
lamont76
well then again, the ns7 isnt really supported for VDJ...
Inviato Sat 01 Aug 09 @ 4:19 pm
Caliente123
The Ns7 is mobile setup Vs the Xponent which is really a bedroom setup. The Ns7 is more on point and you are able to mix more flawless. the platters and the buttons are very responsive. The Xponent is more like for playing at a small family barbecue party or something easy. I wont use this for a main setup because It wont look proffessional if i used this at a gig.
Inviato Sat 01 Aug 09 @ 8:18 pm
rusmokingtoo
Pioneer has something new coming out next month. You waited this long, you might want to wait a little while longer. Rumor has it, that its some type all in one controller.
Inviato Sat 01 Aug 09 @ 9:16 pm
Caliente123
If you are talking about the SEP-C.. The NS7 is better.
Inviato Sun 02 Aug 09 @ 12:24 am
kradcliffe
But there is still no categoric proof the NS7 will be supported by VDJ.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but nowhere is there an OFFICIAL statement from Atomix to say if and when the NS7 will be fully natively supported to work with VDJ. I've seen rumours but nothing concrete.
I would possibly think about looking in to the NS7 myself for our club refurb, but not if it's not 100% working with Virtual DJ.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but nowhere is there an OFFICIAL statement from Atomix to say if and when the NS7 will be fully natively supported to work with VDJ. I've seen rumours but nothing concrete.
I would possibly think about looking in to the NS7 myself for our club refurb, but not if it's not 100% working with Virtual DJ.
Inviato Sun 02 Aug 09 @ 5:29 am
dom1410
Sounds like I would have to lean with Numark NS7 and cross fingers for long term quality and for a native mapper eventually. Yikes, I hate taking chances, they never turn out in my favor. Any other opinions on Midi Controllers let me know.
Inviato Mon 03 Aug 09 @ 3:54 pm
antigoliath
i haven't used my xponent for vdj, the skin for the xponent looks uber-gay btw
i just bought vdj for my macbookpro for the ns7 yesterday and .....
nor i or any other mac user as reported a successful session with the ns7 and vdj, very sad
the only reason i bought vdj was because of a conversation i had with a numark rep on the serato itch forum....
here is the conversation i had with a numark rep:
At 6:28 AM 2 September 2009
aG. wrote
read an old thread where you stated that any dvs with midi learn can support the ns7
i'm desperate to find a dvs that will work 100% with the ns7
serato itch is an excelent turntablist dvs...but nothing more
in order to make this thing pay for itself i need a dvs that will be fully controlled via ns7
...a dvs with basic dj effects and pref some sync options
i'm not emotionally tied to any dvs and i own just about all major brands (save for vdj) BUT i'm willing to make yet another purchase if it will tie everything together and get the ns7 up to club venue standards
as it stands now the ns7 gets left at home because it is too primitive with itch, and i end up lugging the technics to work instead :(
your company made the first REAL midi controller for djs as far as i'm concerned and i'm almost livid about the lack of diversity supporting it. then again this story is very de ja vu
i wish other companies like traktor, torq etc would get as excited about numarks controller as the djs who buy them, anyway if you got some insight into this matter it would be immensely appreciated - ag
RESPONSE:
At 10:25 AM 4 September 2009
sbangs wrote
Effects will come for Itch in the not to distant future.
There is currently a race between the software companies of who will support the NS7 first. Other than Serato currently Virtual DJ supports the NS7.
Perhaps you should try their demo.
The current state of play is:
Native Support [No mapping needed]
Serato Itch
Virtual DJ
Support in development:
Mixvibes Cross
Mixvibes 7 DVS
Traktor Pro
Please note Torq was designed for M-Audio equipment only and does not support highspeed midi.
Numark, Support
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
based on this conversation i bought vdj pro
Both Numark AND VDJ need to slow down, there are problems with the ns7 and vdj on a pc (so its not gig ready, and a quasi-native support at best)....and on a mac the functionality is sporadic and entirely unstable. VDJ you need to test these controllers, then retest, then retest again and again before you release a new version claiming it is natively supported, i'll be calling you on tuesday, enjoy your labor day weekend. - ag
i just bought vdj for my macbookpro for the ns7 yesterday and .....
nor i or any other mac user as reported a successful session with the ns7 and vdj, very sad
the only reason i bought vdj was because of a conversation i had with a numark rep on the serato itch forum....
here is the conversation i had with a numark rep:
At 6:28 AM 2 September 2009
aG. wrote
read an old thread where you stated that any dvs with midi learn can support the ns7
i'm desperate to find a dvs that will work 100% with the ns7
serato itch is an excelent turntablist dvs...but nothing more
in order to make this thing pay for itself i need a dvs that will be fully controlled via ns7
...a dvs with basic dj effects and pref some sync options
i'm not emotionally tied to any dvs and i own just about all major brands (save for vdj) BUT i'm willing to make yet another purchase if it will tie everything together and get the ns7 up to club venue standards
as it stands now the ns7 gets left at home because it is too primitive with itch, and i end up lugging the technics to work instead :(
your company made the first REAL midi controller for djs as far as i'm concerned and i'm almost livid about the lack of diversity supporting it. then again this story is very de ja vu
i wish other companies like traktor, torq etc would get as excited about numarks controller as the djs who buy them, anyway if you got some insight into this matter it would be immensely appreciated - ag
RESPONSE:
At 10:25 AM 4 September 2009
sbangs wrote
Effects will come for Itch in the not to distant future.
There is currently a race between the software companies of who will support the NS7 first. Other than Serato currently Virtual DJ supports the NS7.
Perhaps you should try their demo.
The current state of play is:
Native Support [No mapping needed]
Serato Itch
Virtual DJ
Support in development:
Mixvibes Cross
Mixvibes 7 DVS
Traktor Pro
Please note Torq was designed for M-Audio equipment only and does not support highspeed midi.
Numark, Support
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
based on this conversation i bought vdj pro
Both Numark AND VDJ need to slow down, there are problems with the ns7 and vdj on a pc (so its not gig ready, and a quasi-native support at best)....and on a mac the functionality is sporadic and entirely unstable. VDJ you need to test these controllers, then retest, then retest again and again before you release a new version claiming it is natively supported, i'll be calling you on tuesday, enjoy your labor day weekend. - ag
Inviato Sun 06 Sep 09 @ 4:43 pm
audio000
dom1410
The Xponent is a good controller and is looked at as a professional controller. At a price of $599.99 - $399.99 you can't go
wrong. NS7 also a professional controller price at $1,173.04 - $1,299.99. With that said lets talk software The Xponent M-Audio
Troq is ok NS7 software Serato Itch is damn good you get the real feel. I had to take my NS7 back because of money reasons
but I did like it for Serato Itch. With the money I saved I got Rane Serato Scratch Live Sl3 for $699.99 that I MUST SAY I LOVE.
If you are a professional DJ and want a good setup go with something like this Rane Serato Scratch Live Sl3 for $699.99 or Rane
Serato Scratch Live SL1 for $539.00 a pair of Pioneer CDJ400 for $699.99. A lil more then a NS7 but look what you get. Pioneer
CDJ400 will work with Serato and VDJ. I use my Xponent for small partys where a big setup is not needed. I know 2 DJs in New
York and 1 here in Chicago that use there Xponent in a club the only thing is that the Xponent DOES NOT HAVE A MIX INPUT.
THE Xponent DOES NOT WORK WITH VDJ V6.0 AND UP UNDER VISTA. So if you just want a controller for VDJ I would say go
with the NS7. But I think there is still some bugs with VDJ and the NS7 also , I don't have a NS7 now so I can't really say.
I would read this about the Xponent and VDJ
http://www.virtualdj.com/forums/109808/Hardware_Technical_Support/V6_take_a_long_time_to_close_with_Xponent_on_Vista.html?page=1
I would read this about the NS7 and VDJ
http://www.virtualdj.com/forums/109729/Hardware_Technical_Support/Virtual_DJ6_and_Numark_NS7_(genelar_topic).html
The Xponent is a good controller and is looked at as a professional controller. At a price of $599.99 - $399.99 you can't go
wrong. NS7 also a professional controller price at $1,173.04 - $1,299.99. With that said lets talk software The Xponent M-Audio
Troq is ok NS7 software Serato Itch is damn good you get the real feel. I had to take my NS7 back because of money reasons
but I did like it for Serato Itch. With the money I saved I got Rane Serato Scratch Live Sl3 for $699.99 that I MUST SAY I LOVE.
If you are a professional DJ and want a good setup go with something like this Rane Serato Scratch Live Sl3 for $699.99 or Rane
Serato Scratch Live SL1 for $539.00 a pair of Pioneer CDJ400 for $699.99. A lil more then a NS7 but look what you get. Pioneer
CDJ400 will work with Serato and VDJ. I use my Xponent for small partys where a big setup is not needed. I know 2 DJs in New
York and 1 here in Chicago that use there Xponent in a club the only thing is that the Xponent DOES NOT HAVE A MIX INPUT.
THE Xponent DOES NOT WORK WITH VDJ V6.0 AND UP UNDER VISTA. So if you just want a controller for VDJ I would say go
with the NS7. But I think there is still some bugs with VDJ and the NS7 also , I don't have a NS7 now so I can't really say.
I would read this about the Xponent and VDJ
http://www.virtualdj.com/forums/109808/Hardware_Technical_Support/V6_take_a_long_time_to_close_with_Xponent_on_Vista.html?page=1
I would read this about the NS7 and VDJ
http://www.virtualdj.com/forums/109729/Hardware_Technical_Support/Virtual_DJ6_and_Numark_NS7_(genelar_topic).html
Inviato Sun 06 Sep 09 @ 6:47 pm
dom1410
Thanks for the response guys. Still debating between different software and hardware so hard to decide
Inviato Tue 08 Sep 09 @ 9:18 pm
MAGAGAR80
If I may chime in, I know your thinking of going with either an NS7 or an Xponent. People are saying get the NS7 but I think the NS7 people are having issues making it work with VDJ. If you want a spinning platter then I say go with either Denon DN-S3700s or DN-HS5500s they are working great with VDJ 6.0.2!
Now on the serato end, I had a party this past weekend and my friend who helped me DJ the party got all drunk and left his serato box. Now up to this point I had only seen it being used by other DJs and I was never impressed, since my friend left his serato box I decided to take it for a spin today. The only thing that impressed me was the sound quality, other than that Serato software is pretty plain. I still cant understand the hype behind the Serato.
Now on the serato end, I had a party this past weekend and my friend who helped me DJ the party got all drunk and left his serato box. Now up to this point I had only seen it being used by other DJs and I was never impressed, since my friend left his serato box I decided to take it for a spin today. The only thing that impressed me was the sound quality, other than that Serato software is pretty plain. I still cant understand the hype behind the Serato.
Inviato Tue 08 Sep 09 @ 11:11 pm
Caliente123
The Hype is about performance, It works all the time. Its not about effects etc. Its simple to use and it sounds great. The time codes are the best. This is why many use it. It also has a SP6 sampler.
Inviato Wed 09 Sep 09 @ 12:40 am
djpr1
Caliente123 wrote :
The Hype is about performance, It works all the time. Its not about effects etc. Its simple to use and it sounds great. The time codes are the best. This is why many use it. It also has a SP6 sampler.
+1
Timecodes are VERY GOOD.........Love the SP6 sampler and the ability to save loops within the file.
Inviato Wed 09 Sep 09 @ 7:35 pm
MAGAGAR80
Well I don't use time codes, I'm all 100% Midi with me Denons so I guess that's why it doesn't appeal to me
Inviato Thu 10 Sep 09 @ 10:38 am
djpr1
You were wondering what was all the the big hype behind Serato.....we just told you why.
Inviato Thu 10 Sep 09 @ 11:31 am
MAGAGAR80
ok, thanks for clarifying
Inviato Thu 10 Sep 09 @ 8:39 pm
djchad72
I used CD players for years (came into DJing when vinyl music was getting hard to come by, and CD/MP3 was easy), and when I started looking into a Digital DJ solution (ie using Digital Media vs CD)... I checked into Media Controllers, Software solutions + Controllers/Sound Card. I ended up on Software + Controllers/Sound Card because of the features over just a standard media controller.
I also finally made the realization that although I could made use of my CD players with time codes, my goal was to do away with the CD players. Afterall, they are expensive to replace, hauling them around alone puts wear and tear on them, and then you always have to have a working time code around.
I went to the route of a Controller (DMC2), Sound Card (DJIO), and Cue 5.0 (it was 2007), and then used my Numark PPD9000 mixer with the DJIO. I did it this way because if the sound card goes bad, I replace the DJIO for $100. If the DMC2 goes bad, I can replace it for $200. If a CD player goes bad... you are going to be paying $400 minimum to replace it. I have had this setup for over 2 years and I could not be happier with the performance. My only issue was 1 night i had unplugged my laptop without knowing it, and my laptop was on battery. After 2 hours, it died the middle of my set. oops!
Now that I have this setup as my main/professional setup, I am looking at all in 1 controllers for smaller club/bar gigs... as well as plane friendly size solution. Because of that, I am looking at the Numark Omni and Herc RMX. I am leaning toward Numark OMNI given my good history with Numark. If you dont scratch or play hiphop, I see the NS7, Vestax VCI 100 and 300 as over kill for 2 reasons: 1) You are going to be paying a price point to include the professional version of Serato Itch (ie which is not a LE version like VDJ and Tracktor offer with controllers like the RMX and OMNI.) 2) you are going to be paying for deck platters on both NS7 and the Vestax that have more bells and whistles to make scratching more like Vinyl.
To add a 3rd thing to consider, you may want to consider outputs at the clubs and parties you expect to play at. The NS7 does have RCA, 1/4" and XLR master/booth outputs. That is VERY nice because it makes you pretty flexible walking in. The OMNI only has 2 RCA, and the RMX has RCA and 1/4" outputs. It also has 2 RCA inputs to have an external source to pipe through its audio interface. The Vestax VCI300 has RCA only I believe.
Keep in mind that his can easily be mitigated if you are merely hooking into a sound board or DJ mixer at your club/venue, as well as by picking up an inexpensive single channel sound board that has RCA inputs and 1/4"/XLR outputs. You can pick up a Yamaha for a mere $100. So if you consider the OMNI for $349 + $100 for a mini sound board to translate your RCA outputs to 1/4" or XLR outputs... you are still talking only $449. That is still $750 less than the NS7, $150 less than the Xponent, and $440 under the VCI300. Also until the end of Sept 2009, the OMNI comes with a rebate to receive a free pair of their high end headphones. I had this deal when i bought my DJIO. It is nice because I have a back up pair for myself or to lend a friend in need. If you dont need a 3rd pair or even a 2nd, mail in, get em, and sell them for ebay. Even if you only get $50... that is still $50 off your purchase! :)
Lastly, consider I am looking for a solution I can fit into my laptop back, take on a plane or easily deal with a cramped DJ booth. The NS7 and Xponent are a bit on the larger side. Therefore negates the benefit I am lookin for. On the other hand, the NS7 and Xponent are know to be alot roomier (ie more space between buttons and knobs) so you are not bumping the volume fader, while trying to use the jog wheel.
I have been doing alot of research myself on the all in 1 solution, and the above is sort of the output of my research and rationale I am applying to my decision. I hope it helps!
I also finally made the realization that although I could made use of my CD players with time codes, my goal was to do away with the CD players. Afterall, they are expensive to replace, hauling them around alone puts wear and tear on them, and then you always have to have a working time code around.
I went to the route of a Controller (DMC2), Sound Card (DJIO), and Cue 5.0 (it was 2007), and then used my Numark PPD9000 mixer with the DJIO. I did it this way because if the sound card goes bad, I replace the DJIO for $100. If the DMC2 goes bad, I can replace it for $200. If a CD player goes bad... you are going to be paying $400 minimum to replace it. I have had this setup for over 2 years and I could not be happier with the performance. My only issue was 1 night i had unplugged my laptop without knowing it, and my laptop was on battery. After 2 hours, it died the middle of my set. oops!
Now that I have this setup as my main/professional setup, I am looking at all in 1 controllers for smaller club/bar gigs... as well as plane friendly size solution. Because of that, I am looking at the Numark Omni and Herc RMX. I am leaning toward Numark OMNI given my good history with Numark. If you dont scratch or play hiphop, I see the NS7, Vestax VCI 100 and 300 as over kill for 2 reasons: 1) You are going to be paying a price point to include the professional version of Serato Itch (ie which is not a LE version like VDJ and Tracktor offer with controllers like the RMX and OMNI.) 2) you are going to be paying for deck platters on both NS7 and the Vestax that have more bells and whistles to make scratching more like Vinyl.
To add a 3rd thing to consider, you may want to consider outputs at the clubs and parties you expect to play at. The NS7 does have RCA, 1/4" and XLR master/booth outputs. That is VERY nice because it makes you pretty flexible walking in. The OMNI only has 2 RCA, and the RMX has RCA and 1/4" outputs. It also has 2 RCA inputs to have an external source to pipe through its audio interface. The Vestax VCI300 has RCA only I believe.
Keep in mind that his can easily be mitigated if you are merely hooking into a sound board or DJ mixer at your club/venue, as well as by picking up an inexpensive single channel sound board that has RCA inputs and 1/4"/XLR outputs. You can pick up a Yamaha for a mere $100. So if you consider the OMNI for $349 + $100 for a mini sound board to translate your RCA outputs to 1/4" or XLR outputs... you are still talking only $449. That is still $750 less than the NS7, $150 less than the Xponent, and $440 under the VCI300. Also until the end of Sept 2009, the OMNI comes with a rebate to receive a free pair of their high end headphones. I had this deal when i bought my DJIO. It is nice because I have a back up pair for myself or to lend a friend in need. If you dont need a 3rd pair or even a 2nd, mail in, get em, and sell them for ebay. Even if you only get $50... that is still $50 off your purchase! :)
Lastly, consider I am looking for a solution I can fit into my laptop back, take on a plane or easily deal with a cramped DJ booth. The NS7 and Xponent are a bit on the larger side. Therefore negates the benefit I am lookin for. On the other hand, the NS7 and Xponent are know to be alot roomier (ie more space between buttons and knobs) so you are not bumping the volume fader, while trying to use the jog wheel.
I have been doing alot of research myself on the all in 1 solution, and the above is sort of the output of my research and rationale I am applying to my decision. I hope it helps!
Inviato Fri 18 Sep 09 @ 7:55 pm
carryshel
For me.... xponent is a very good controller and it IS a professional controller (just put it in a marathon flight case and take a look!). I use it a on very big sound systems in large venues and it sounds great.... Only problem is.... it is not a good friend of virtual dj (with vista anyway). I have to admit... since I got the xponent, I fell in love with torq and hardly use virtual dj anymore. The sound quality, internal mixer, effects and eq are way better in torq.... not to mention the responsiveness of the xponent! Torq is also very stable and I trust it with the xponent 100%... When I used virtual dj with the xponent, I did not trust the effects at all as I always fear the program would crash or hang up.. Vdj, vista and the xponent just don't mix....
I don't mix video and I don't automix... these are two functions that torq does not bring.... Also the browser in vdj is miles ahead of torq's browser... However, once your songs/playlists are organised, you will have no problems... Vdj is a good software and I am still a happy owner, but the basics of quality and stability are not where it should be imho....Xponent with vdj = not recommended...... Xponent with torq = thats the sh@t!!!!
I don't mix video and I don't automix... these are two functions that torq does not bring.... Also the browser in vdj is miles ahead of torq's browser... However, once your songs/playlists are organised, you will have no problems... Vdj is a good software and I am still a happy owner, but the basics of quality and stability are not where it should be imho....Xponent with vdj = not recommended...... Xponent with torq = thats the sh@t!!!!
Inviato Mon 12 Oct 09 @ 10:48 pm
Caliente123
The Xponent is not a Pro controller.. Its a nice controller but not pro. There is a difference between something that pro and something thats not. The NS7 is a better system.
Inviato Tue 13 Oct 09 @ 5:40 pm
