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In VDJ 5.xx, I was able to hit the SYNC button just before I hit PLAY. That way, it would sync almost immediaitely as I start the mix after hitting PLAY. But now with VDJ 7.xx using the Denon MC-6000, it seems that syncing will only work AFTER the song is playing. So I have to hit PLAY first and then immediately hit SYNC during the mix.

Is there a way to Pre-sync as I used to do?
 
Inviato Tue 17 May 11 @ 12:57 pm
Not sure I understand this issue. The sync button just matches the BPM of one player to the other. Are you using the sync button on the software or the player? Are you getting the same results from both? Have you looked at the mapper for this player?
 
The SYNC button does more than simply match the BPM... it lines up the beats. If you hit SYNC before the mix, it matches the BPM. But if you hit SYNC again after the mix, the beats come together. My question is that you used to be able to hit the SYNC button before the mix (while PAUSED), and it would sync immediately after hitting PLAY.

And yes - This happens even if I use the VDJ button rather than the Denon.
 
Did not know about that second function, as I match my own beats. I would think that you could map that function yourself. What does the sync function say in your mapper?
 
You must have had beatlock on in version 6, It will automatically lock the tracks to the beat or you may have had play_sync_onbeat mapped as your play button, both methods should work
 
Yes - now that you mention it, I did have BEATLOCK mapped to the keyboar "X" key, and that's what I used to sync. So now I guess my question really is: What's the difference between SYNC and BEATLOCK?

What I want is to PLAY and SYNC simultaneously, but only if I've pre-selected the SYNC button.
 
then you want smart play, just press the lock, it will sync, beatlock and play when you press play if smart play is selected.

Sync and beatlock are pretty much the same thing, they will sync to track to the nearest beat on the cbg, but beatlock will only follow the grid (which can be wrong) whereas sync if the track is stopped will match the bpm allowing you to drop the track wherever you like not locked to the grid
 
As usual, cool informations Synth..
I'll have to play with the beat lock function a bit, I'm used to making a quick loop to hit sync on the fly.
 
OK great. So it sounds like I need to use the mapper to set the script on my Denon PLAY button to Smart_Play. I did this, and now the PLAY button on the Denon does not play or do anything at all. Am I missing something?
 
smart_play is like a shift button so it has to be separate to the play button, if smart_play is active it will make "play" do three things... play, sync & beatlock, if smart_play isn't active "play" will just play the track

you could use something like this for the sync button on your controller.

holding 2000ms ? deck 1 smart_play : deck 1 sync

If you press the button it will sync the track, but if you hold the button for 2 seconds then release it will activate smart_play.
 
OK I will try that.
But out of curiosity.... why would anyone want to SYNC without Beatlock? Would any DJ purposely not want beats to be lined up?
 
if you know the beatgrid is misaligned it would be handy to sync the beat before pressing play, but I don't know I never use sync its more fun and rewarding that way
 
Eric Sands wrote :
OK I will try that.
But out of curiosity.... why would anyone want to SYNC without Beatlock? Would any DJ purposely not want beats to be lined up?


Most DJs align the beats manually and do not use the sync button. The sync button is a crutch that you will be a MUCH better DJ if you learn to do it manually. You are essentially saying that without VDJ you cannot DJ. A true DJ knows how to mix manually but uses tools to make his life easier. I, like "man and his music" have never used the sync button to align beats. If you have both songs at the same speed and you align the beats from the beginning there should be no need for the sync button.

Learn how to DJ not just to work VDJ!

Rusty
 
Thanks Rusty. I've been Beat mixing since the early 80's (on Technics 1200's back then), and have gone through several generations of equipment. But today, honestly, I welcome anything that will make my life easier. Thank you for the insight.
 
I'm looking at the Denon mapper in VDJ and for the SYNC key (there is only one) the default action is:

var '$shift' ? masterdeck : sync

So would I replace this text? Or would I add second new action to the sync key?

What exactly would I type if I wanted the smart play to engage only if I held down the SYNC key say for 500ms?
 
The only time I use beatlock, is for transitions. Why because when you move the pitch slider on the track your trying to match up the other slides as well. It works pretty well when you wanna go from a fast song to a slow one or vice versa. Like others have said yes it does make life easier when it comes to mixing but know since you don't have to spend time matching things up you gotta get creative with that new found time.

Good day
Huey
 
Hope I did not give the wrong impression. As I have stated before, I use the sync button all the time. I use it to match the bpms, that's it. I don't look at the beat grid or what ever you call it. I mix by ear. I have seen the wave forms, and to me they don't match up to mix by sight. For a guy that has been using this software for a long time, I am not familiar with a lot of the functions. I can't even find a beat lock button on the software. I am also very simple, and got this software to be able to carry every song I own, and to do video. I use loops, audio and visual effects, samples, and plenty of tricks I learned back in the loin cloth days. I will now try some of these tricks from this thread and see if they can enhance my performance.

OK, just found the beat lock tab, and tried it. I don't get it. Tried the smart play tab, not for me. Not sure what the smart cue does. I use the key-lock all the time, so know what that is. Even though I have no use for these things, I am sure others do.
 
holding ? deck 1 smart_play : deck 1 sync

The default for holding is 500ms
 
OK so is this script IN ADDITION to the existing script as a new action? Or should this script replace the existing script for the SYNC button?
And should I duplicate it for deck 2? The mapper has only one SYNC key.
 
I would just replace the existing script, masterdeck makes the selected deck the one that all other decks sync to, It's not really needed
 
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