SmokinDaPurple
I am having a lot of gain problems, when it comes to transitioning to another track and the gains are no where near the same, its really hard to match. reading the beatgrid to match up doesnt always help.
Ive tried programs such as MP3GAIN to make song volumes all the same but it doesnt seem to work for every track, still leaving some tracks in the range of -8db and upto 4db which is extremely frustrating!
is there any other way to help out controlling sound volume so every transition can sound as smooth as the last.
I am using a numark mixdeck and manage to control them using the gain knobs on the midi controller but its never precise especially considering the midi controller doesnt control the onscreen program.
Ive tried programs such as MP3GAIN to make song volumes all the same but it doesnt seem to work for every track, still leaving some tracks in the range of -8db and upto 4db which is extremely frustrating!
is there any other way to help out controlling sound volume so every transition can sound as smooth as the last.
I am using a numark mixdeck and manage to control them using the gain knobs on the midi controller but its never precise especially considering the midi controller doesnt control the onscreen program.
Inviato Thu 10 Nov 11 @ 10:37 am
groovindj
It's called DJing!
Back when all we had was vinyl, some records were pressed quietly, others were loud.
That's one of the reasons DJs have PFL/cue - so they can listen to the incoming track and set it up before playing it live.
Any "automatic" software that adjusts gains will never be as good as your own ears listening to it.
Our ears do not have a flat frequency response, so they're more sensitive to some freqs than others.
Two waveforms on a screen may look the same level, but if one has more of those 'sensitive' freqs then it'll sound louder.
Back when all we had was vinyl, some records were pressed quietly, others were loud.
That's one of the reasons DJs have PFL/cue - so they can listen to the incoming track and set it up before playing it live.
Any "automatic" software that adjusts gains will never be as good as your own ears listening to it.
Our ears do not have a flat frequency response, so they're more sensitive to some freqs than others.
Two waveforms on a screen may look the same level, but if one has more of those 'sensitive' freqs then it'll sound louder.
Inviato Thu 10 Nov 11 @ 10:49 am
SmokinDaPurple
Yeah i totally understand what your saying and thanks for the feedback. i have just talked to other friends who dj for a living who dont use virtual dj and they say the've never had problems with gains. would this be because of there program having an auto gain? or just there cds that they use are all burned to have the same volume
Inviato Thu 10 Nov 11 @ 11:48 am
groovindj
SmokinDaPurple wrote :
would this be because of there program having an auto gain? or just there cds that they use are all burned to have the same volume
It's probably because they're DJs!
They're used to adjusting the gain controls on their mixers to match signal levels of each track.
I do it instinctively when I'm preparing my next track. Play it back, check the level, adjust the gain. Done.
Inviato Thu 10 Nov 11 @ 12:09 pm
SmokinDaPurple
okay so would you suggest i do not alter my tracks and keep the gains all wonky?
just seems like 10db difference is a little too much.
***and i know it all comes down to preference and skill, but just trying to make my job a little easier :)
just seems like 10db difference is a little too much.
***and i know it all comes down to preference and skill, but just trying to make my job a little easier :)
Inviato Thu 10 Nov 11 @ 12:50 pm
groovindj
If you know which songs are the worst culprits, why not open them up in some audio editing software and adjust them up or down to your preference?
Inviato Thu 10 Nov 11 @ 1:51 pm
kradcliffe
Use mp3gain. It's free, works well and I've been using it for years.
Set it to 94db and disable the VDJ auto gain.
Keith
Set it to 94db and disable the VDJ auto gain.
Keith
Inviato Thu 10 Nov 11 @ 2:23 pm
SmokinDaPurple
hey keith, ive tried using mp3 gain, but it doesnt work for all the songs. i dont know if im doing it wrong, but only some change db levels after running it.
Inviato Fri 11 Nov 11 @ 6:34 pm
bryantpb
groovindj wrote :
It's probably because they're DJs!
They're used to adjusting the gain controls on their mixers to match signal levels of each track.
I do it instinctively when I'm preparing my next track. Play it back, check the level, adjust the gain. Done.
SmokinDaPurple wrote :
would this be because of there program having an auto gain? or just there cds that they use are all burned to have the same volume
It's probably because they're DJs!
They're used to adjusting the gain controls on their mixers to match signal levels of each track.
I do it instinctively when I'm preparing my next track. Play it back, check the level, adjust the gain. Done.
And.. what if WE DO NOT have the instinct you have , should we quit??
Inviato Fri 11 Nov 11 @ 11:22 pm
synthet1c
he wasn't born with it dude... it's a result of practicing that made it became instinct, groovin is refering to the fact that you dont need a computer to do it for you, but if you only ever rely on it, you will never learn to cope without it. And what no one seems to understands is you need to have anxiety and make mistakes to push you to figure out solutions... what seems to happen now is if something doesnt make you a superstar immediately demand a full refund! its insane...
Inviato Sat 12 Nov 11 @ 12:37 am
groovindj
Thanks for that, synth!
Yes - as the YouTube DJ Tutor crew say, "Practice and enjoy".
I guess in a way it's like driving. When you start, you're really very conscious of every little thing you have to do to control the vehicle. Once you've had enough practice, it becomes natural - like breathing in and out. You just do it.
When I'm DJing, I'm so used to doing it, and so used to the equipment, that even if something goes wrong I just compensate without thinking, in an instant.
Yes - as the YouTube DJ Tutor crew say, "Practice and enjoy".
I guess in a way it's like driving. When you start, you're really very conscious of every little thing you have to do to control the vehicle. Once you've had enough practice, it becomes natural - like breathing in and out. You just do it.
When I'm DJing, I'm so used to doing it, and so used to the equipment, that even if something goes wrong I just compensate without thinking, in an instant.
Inviato Sat 12 Nov 11 @ 9:13 am