davjohboo
The minimum reqs are:
Intel® Pentium® 4 or AMD Athlon™ XP
Windows XP SP3
DirectX compatible soundcard
512MB RAM
20MB free on the hard drive
Invest in a better audio card, use asio4all instead of stock drivers. Most pc's come with very basic audio card/drivers -this is typically where the bottleneck is.
The cpu type should not matter as told by the minimum reqs. Graphics card (gpu) will not affect performance unless running video. Virtual DJ does not use hyper threading therefore you could have 20 cores and it will only use 1. The frequency of the chip (speed) is more important as there are core2duos that can beat I7 processors when using a single threaded program. If you are using a laptop make sure to check your power settings to see you are prioritizing max performance over battery life.
Audio issues = Upgrade audio device, use asio4all as it will reduce cpu load and latency. http://www.asio4all.com
Video = Better graphics card (Asus ROG laptops have upgradeable gpu's)
FYI: The "turbo" speed listing is not bs -this indicates tha it can run at this speed when needed but typically runs at slower clock speed to extend battery life.
Intel® Pentium® 4 or AMD Athlon™ XP
Windows XP SP3
DirectX compatible soundcard
512MB RAM
20MB free on the hard drive
Invest in a better audio card, use asio4all instead of stock drivers. Most pc's come with very basic audio card/drivers -this is typically where the bottleneck is.
The cpu type should not matter as told by the minimum reqs. Graphics card (gpu) will not affect performance unless running video. Virtual DJ does not use hyper threading therefore you could have 20 cores and it will only use 1. The frequency of the chip (speed) is more important as there are core2duos that can beat I7 processors when using a single threaded program. If you are using a laptop make sure to check your power settings to see you are prioritizing max performance over battery life.
Audio issues = Upgrade audio device, use asio4all as it will reduce cpu load and latency. http://www.asio4all.com
Video = Better graphics card (Asus ROG laptops have upgradeable gpu's)
FYI: The "turbo" speed listing is not bs -this indicates tha it can run at this speed when needed but typically runs at slower clock speed to extend battery life.
Inviato Sat 03 Jun 17 @ 2:40 pm
Adion
Since windows vista there is no need anymore to use asio4all. It will not perform better than wasapi exclusive mode.
VirtualDJ can make use of multiple cores, and therefore also hyperthreading can be of advantage.
VirtualDJ can make use of multiple cores, and therefore also hyperthreading can be of advantage.
Inviato Sat 03 Jun 17 @ 3:04 pm
VDJ Ron
VirtualDJ can make use of multiple cores, and therefore also hyperthreading can be of advantage.
How many and performing what functions?
Nick mentioned that his i7 quad core could analyse two files at a time instead of one, as with an i5. This of course is not very important..but other features might be?
That experimental skin to reduce graphic loads might be of great use to vast numbers of people..it should not be just "experimental".
How many and performing what functions?
Nick mentioned that his i7 quad core could analyse two files at a time instead of one, as with an i5. This of course is not very important..but other features might be?
That experimental skin to reduce graphic loads might be of great use to vast numbers of people..it should not be just "experimental".
Inviato Sat 03 Jun 17 @ 3:10 pm
Adion
Without playback up to 3 tracks will be analyzed simultaneously on an i7.
Besides that there's the skin, video, audio, audio decoding, video decoding, analyzer, browser, ... that can all use their own threads, so it depends on what you are doing how many cores could be beneficial.
The experimentalSkinEngine option is called experimental because it is still experimental. There may still be some graphics issues.
Besides that there's the skin, video, audio, audio decoding, video decoding, analyzer, browser, ... that can all use their own threads, so it depends on what you are doing how many cores could be beneficial.
The experimentalSkinEngine option is called experimental because it is still experimental. There may still be some graphics issues.
Inviato Sat 03 Jun 17 @ 4:25 pm
Stamat B
Don Moir I have tested on the same machine:
Intel Core i5-2410M Dual core 2.30 GHz and Intel Core i5-2540M 2.60GHz they wins over Intel i7 2360QM 2.000 GHz Quad core!
My conclusion Highest i5's are faster than lowest i7,and i7's are maybe more stable and give you cooler PC.
Don't get me wrong this one probably will win over all above but this one cost 3 times more...
Intel® Core™ i7-2960XM Processor Extreme Edition 8M Cache, up to 2.70 GHz
Conclusion: to get the highest i5 or the highest i7 that's it...the i'7 is better only if is higher then i5 .....
so you got to be very careful when upgrading and spending!
sometimes upgrading is not cheap better to buy new machine!
Adion I have tried that experimental skin I have not seen much changes,did not work in my case I have tried to change the skin as well ....
Intel Core i5-2410M Dual core 2.30 GHz and Intel Core i5-2540M 2.60GHz they wins over Intel i7 2360QM 2.000 GHz Quad core!
My conclusion Highest i5's are faster than lowest i7,and i7's are maybe more stable and give you cooler PC.
Don't get me wrong this one probably will win over all above but this one cost 3 times more...
Intel® Core™ i7-2960XM Processor Extreme Edition 8M Cache, up to 2.70 GHz
Conclusion: to get the highest i5 or the highest i7 that's it...the i'7 is better only if is higher then i5 .....
so you got to be very careful when upgrading and spending!
sometimes upgrading is not cheap better to buy new machine!
Adion I have tried that experimental skin I have not seen much changes,did not work in my case I have tried to change the skin as well ....
Inviato Sat 03 Jun 17 @ 7:53 pm
groovindj
Adion wrote :
The experimentalSkinEngine option is called experimental because it is still experimental
So does it actually work now (earlier you said it wasn't working)?
What does it do? In what way is it different to the old engine?
Inviato Sat 03 Jun 17 @ 7:58 pm
Adion
It is indeed working in the latest build. It reduces gpu load for skin drawing, but currently there may be some graphics glitches.
Inviato Sat 03 Jun 17 @ 8:49 pm
Stamat B
Thanks Adion will try that with latest build!
Inviato Sat 03 Jun 17 @ 9:32 pm
Don Moir
bigron1 wrote :
The point is that VDJ8.2 does not demand that much in the way of computer resources.
It can actually be pretty bad. On a fast machine you don't notice it too much. Skin drawing has been brain dead since 8 came out. I thought when I first ran VDJ8 on my dual and saw the CPU jump to over 50 percent when VDJ8 was doing nothing that it had to be a bug and it was beta etc. Why? Because no one in their right mind would take an already demanding program with video etc. and just draw something needlessly X times per second. They are just getting around to fixing it with experimental skin drawing and it is much better but still has some problems but they know that and happy to see that they are finally doing something about it. They also need to get rid of Skin FPS most likely. Over the years people have complained about it not knowing what it was.. Typically they were given some bullshit answer and probably left with not knowing exactly what to do. One recent answer give was that VDJ8 is more complex and that is why more CPU is used than 7. It is more complex but to simple minded with skin drawing so just draws needlessly wasting CPU. The settings are useful but some are just band aids for a bad design is some cases. Probably being composited with all the text and other elements on every draw. Every sampler file when played retains it's memory when loaded until the sampler bank is changed. I don't mind some use of memory especially needed for scratching but I think over kill but would need some more info.
bigron1 wrote :
It appears I may be the only one who has investigated the possibilities. i3's, i5's, i7's and many lesser cpu's with a reasonably high clock speed can happily run VDJ8.2.
I think many of the DJ's test quite abit because they want to be sure about their performance. I test constantly . It is good you test like that but really no one knows what is acceptable to you and that may not be acceptable to others. You started on some testing awhile back and believe you mentioned you just starting with video but not quite sure. Then you mentioned some things about video performance and a few things about CPU usage etc. You started going on about justifying using low res videos because no one can tell the difference which is fine. It really started to sound like you were making trade offs for lower end computers but you never provided any useful numbers for the most part anyway which I was wondering why you did not. So have no idea what Ron thinks is acceptable for a show. You were acting like it was some kind of great think you could actually run VDJ, a Video, and EVEN be on the internet... so it leads me to believe your expectations are low.
bigron1 wrote :
I tire of the word obsolescence and the casual way it's used.
Equipment is only obsolete once it can no longer do its job and not because it's 5, 6 or even 10 years old.
Simple..
Equipment is only obsolete once it can no longer do its job and not because it's 5, 6 or even 10 years old.
Simple..
Obsolete does not mean something has become useless. It means that something is no longer being produced and many times it is because it has been replaced by something better.
I was not implying the i5 or 17 was obsolete... I said the hd3000 / 4000 were either obsolete or on the way to being obsolete... They are among the lowest of the GPUs... But maybe it does not matter if your expectations are low.
I believe with nichcolas it was just a decision on chip replacement though.
Inviato Sun 04 Jun 17 @ 6:08 pm
Don Moir
Adion wrote :
It is indeed working in the latest build. It reduces gpu load for skin drawing, but currently there may be some graphics glitches.
It is much better. I still use Win7 and bounce back and forth with .DWM (aero) on or off for testing purposes. When DWM is off and experimental is on, the skin never redraws itself when it is over laid by any window. Does not matter if it is moved or dismissed. VDJ Options will produce it or any window. Just saying since many have moved on to other versions of windows and I believe DWM is always on with windows 8 and and above so you may have not noticed.
Are you going to get rid of the skin FPS as well and make it intelligent? Seems that would be the icing on the cake.
Inviato Sun 04 Jun 17 @ 6:20 pm
VDJ Ron
Yawn..
If you had tried other software such as Traktor Pro 2.0 you might then be quick to praise VDJ8.2 for it's frugal hardware demands. It will run on an old Pentium 4!
Yes I had to optimize a 10 year old laptop to run video. What do you expect?
Yes I made compromises over video quality and still do..however the whole video thing is one big compromise.
You seem to know little about laptops so I'll tell you that integrated Intel hd4000 graphics work well with video in VDJ8.2.
I got a good chance to study my video output on Saturday night and thought it was outstanding.
My standards have been increased coinciding with my improved video knowledge.
You're getting as bad as Groovin..so I tried rear projection using a shower curtain prior to getting a specialist screen, and it worked. So what?
Even your use of the word obsolescence stinks..we're not looking at a transition from horse to automobile transport, or gas to electric light. We're talking about modest improvements in laptop technology.
Is a 5 year old car supposed to be obsolete nowadays?
The car salesmen may say yes but the drivers I think would say no!
If you had tried other software such as Traktor Pro 2.0 you might then be quick to praise VDJ8.2 for it's frugal hardware demands. It will run on an old Pentium 4!
Yes I had to optimize a 10 year old laptop to run video. What do you expect?
Yes I made compromises over video quality and still do..however the whole video thing is one big compromise.
You seem to know little about laptops so I'll tell you that integrated Intel hd4000 graphics work well with video in VDJ8.2.
I got a good chance to study my video output on Saturday night and thought it was outstanding.
My standards have been increased coinciding with my improved video knowledge.
You're getting as bad as Groovin..so I tried rear projection using a shower curtain prior to getting a specialist screen, and it worked. So what?
Even your use of the word obsolescence stinks..we're not looking at a transition from horse to automobile transport, or gas to electric light. We're talking about modest improvements in laptop technology.
Is a 5 year old car supposed to be obsolete nowadays?
The car salesmen may say yes but the drivers I think would say no!
Inviato Mon 05 Jun 17 @ 1:37 am
the SOUND INSURGENT
Ron your a complete jackass!!
Even though I'm a little upset with Don at the moment I can tell you that that man knows a whole hell of lot more then you when it comes to computers!
So carry on and keep insulting one of the few people left here who would actually help you to understand things a little better.....
Even though I'm a little upset with Don at the moment I can tell you that that man knows a whole hell of lot more then you when it comes to computers!
So carry on and keep insulting one of the few people left here who would actually help you to understand things a little better.....
Inviato Mon 05 Jun 17 @ 2:59 am
VDJ Ron
I don't need to learn more from people who worship all things expensive and new.
You don't even use facts.
You don't have anything to teach.
My video is now rather good.
You even promoted video encoding software which produced inferior audio.
A DJ ?
So it had a bug?
It didn't work.
You don't even use facts.
You don't have anything to teach.
My video is now rather good.
You even promoted video encoding software which produced inferior audio.
A DJ ?
So it had a bug?
It didn't work.
Inviato Mon 05 Jun 17 @ 3:10 am
the SOUND INSURGENT
bigron1 wrote :
My video is now rather good.
My video is now rather good.
It's cool Ron, your fine with being mediocre.... like I said carry on ;-)
Inviato Mon 05 Jun 17 @ 6:07 am
VDJ Ron
I would have had inferior video audio had I taken your advise. The thread is in this forum for all to view. That says it all. Do I need to provide links?
Inviato Mon 05 Jun 17 @ 8:59 am
the SOUND INSURGENT
Sure go ahead but then everyone will also see that it was a bug in the said program but has since been fixed so your audio settings will not change anymore.
And I did post a link in that thread to the fixed program.
And I did post a link in that thread to the fixed program.
Inviato Mon 05 Jun 17 @ 12:21 pm
VDJ Ron
..and it was like talking to newbies trying to explain the video audio created by your recommended software was very poor.
Simply incompetant.
Can we get back to talking about laptop cpu's. This is an important topic.
Simply incompetant.
Can we get back to talking about laptop cpu's. This is an important topic.
Inviato Mon 05 Jun 17 @ 12:30 pm
the SOUND INSURGENT
Lol!
Ok what about the thread you had where we talked about CPU's already? There was some info in there that would help.
Ok what about the thread you had where we talked about CPU's already? There was some info in there that would help.
Inviato Mon 05 Jun 17 @ 1:35 pm
VDJ Ron
I don't want to argue with you Beatbreaker..I think you're quite open minded, becoming increasingly versatile, and so I guess that bodes well for your future.
This thread is a little different because nowadays we often have to remove the laptop motherboard to upgrade the cpu. My Asus k55a was more demanding than previous laptops. It should be noted that the onboard 3rd gen.integrated Intel hd graphics run video fine prior to my i5 2.7ghz cpu upgrade. However upgrading the cpu also upgraded the onboard graphics to hd4000!
This thread is a little different because nowadays we often have to remove the laptop motherboard to upgrade the cpu. My Asus k55a was more demanding than previous laptops. It should be noted that the onboard 3rd gen.integrated Intel hd graphics run video fine prior to my i5 2.7ghz cpu upgrade. However upgrading the cpu also upgraded the onboard graphics to hd4000!
Inviato Mon 05 Jun 17 @ 1:44 pm
Don Moir
Ron you make me laugh because your such a newbie with some things... Geeze man my first micro was Z80 with 32k. I know damn well what software should do... I used that computer to write a 3D animated, scaling, and rotating objects with only 32 k of memory for my computer graphics course. And... Atomix knows they needed to fix the skin drawing as well otherwise they would not be doing it. You on the other hand have no idea how to evaluate anything..
And I did not make up the meaning of the word Obsolete... There is no slack in the word.... Maybe you just look it up and stop acting like you know what it means... and really stop acting like you know anything.
I am also on a tight budget these days... I mentioned I use a tower... I don't have to be mobile... and for less than half of the cost of laptop I have a better computer than what can be achieved in a laptop. Laptop GPUs cost more and are not quite as effective as the stand alones... I used a low end GPU for a long time. I did not mind so much because as I developer it helps to keep me in check. But you can't get blood out of a stone. Time to move up and bought a NIVIDA 1060 for $250 and has made a world of difference... I am pretty frugal with everything actually but don't slack on your work environment tools and still try to act like a pro.. If you are just having fun and don't really care much than of course use anything you want.
My old GPU pass marked around 300 (just a little lower than HD4000) and it was adequate for many things but really not where I want to go. The NVIDA 1060 pass mark is over 8000... After this you start to pay a lot more to move up but that will change...
And I did not make up the meaning of the word Obsolete... There is no slack in the word.... Maybe you just look it up and stop acting like you know what it means... and really stop acting like you know anything.
I am also on a tight budget these days... I mentioned I use a tower... I don't have to be mobile... and for less than half of the cost of laptop I have a better computer than what can be achieved in a laptop. Laptop GPUs cost more and are not quite as effective as the stand alones... I used a low end GPU for a long time. I did not mind so much because as I developer it helps to keep me in check. But you can't get blood out of a stone. Time to move up and bought a NIVIDA 1060 for $250 and has made a world of difference... I am pretty frugal with everything actually but don't slack on your work environment tools and still try to act like a pro.. If you are just having fun and don't really care much than of course use anything you want.
My old GPU pass marked around 300 (just a little lower than HD4000) and it was adequate for many things but really not where I want to go. The NVIDA 1060 pass mark is over 8000... After this you start to pay a lot more to move up but that will change...
Inviato Mon 05 Jun 17 @ 4:25 pm
