fatkatzdj
The situation is that my Saturday night venue has benn experiencing a whole lot of fights on friday and saturday nights. They are contributing this to the music style of course which is "top 40". The situation that they believe it's because to of the hip hop music thats bringing in a style of people that causing the trouble.
The problem I have is that before I became full time " hired around august" I was playing more hip hop than I do now. When I became lead DJ, I mixed it up more with all styles of old and new. I made it a party atmosphere. So more people showed up ( good music + pretty girls + liquor = enjoyment or meatmarket in some cases )
The management is thinking about getting rid of hip hop... The question there is what is considered hip hop?
I've asked most of the employees ( bar + cocktailers) and most have said that the music is great and some has said that they would like to add some variaty of remixes which most of the remix cd's does not go well with most of the audience.
I have seen a decline is crowd due to the amount of fights - I think that it should be more strict in the personell ( bouncers ). Leave the music selection up to me to play the best music possible without tying my hands.
SOOO, my true question is - What is some go Dance / club style music out ( old and new ) that I can get my hands on by this weakend for trial on crowd.
PS - I think you they change the music programming, then it should be promoted as such and with notice to me and the crowd.
And by the way, I was going to switch to video this weekend as well.
THOUGHTS!!!
The problem I have is that before I became full time " hired around august" I was playing more hip hop than I do now. When I became lead DJ, I mixed it up more with all styles of old and new. I made it a party atmosphere. So more people showed up ( good music + pretty girls + liquor = enjoyment or meatmarket in some cases )
The management is thinking about getting rid of hip hop... The question there is what is considered hip hop?
I've asked most of the employees ( bar + cocktailers) and most have said that the music is great and some has said that they would like to add some variaty of remixes which most of the remix cd's does not go well with most of the audience.
I have seen a decline is crowd due to the amount of fights - I think that it should be more strict in the personell ( bouncers ). Leave the music selection up to me to play the best music possible without tying my hands.
SOOO, my true question is - What is some go Dance / club style music out ( old and new ) that I can get my hands on by this weakend for trial on crowd.
PS - I think you they change the music programming, then it should be promoted as such and with notice to me and the crowd.
And by the way, I was going to switch to video this weekend as well.
THOUGHTS!!!
Inviato Wed 16 May 07 @ 8:57 pm
fatkatzdj
Well, I just got off the phone with the management and we've agreed that the music is so much the issue but wants me to think about toning it down... They will step up the bouncer training with a head bouncer ( like roadhouse) " Dalton "
Still would like input on Club / Dance music
DJ alf - I've seen your very long list of House and will look up some songs from your list.
Still would like input on Club / Dance music
DJ alf - I've seen your very long list of House and will look up some songs from your list.
Inviato Wed 16 May 07 @ 11:32 pm
A Man and His Music
This is what I tell the owner of my club and any other club I work at. The customer does not give a shit what you or I want to hear. They want to hear what they like, and it's my job to know what that is. This is the silliest subject, and it has been going around since Beethoven. There were no fights, until hip hop came along? Music has nothing to do with it. Just like heavy metal will make you kill people, and worship the devil. Music does not cloud your judgement, alcohol does. You will never make uneducated people understand, so don't beat yourself up about it. I do not let anyone tell me what to play. My favorite line is, "do you tell the plumber how to fix a leak, then don't tell me how to play music". Of course I am old, know what I'm talking about, and let them know I will be working for their competitor tomorrow, and don't give a shit.
Inviato Thu 17 May 07 @ 12:06 am
DJ Marcel_1
I agree with Man and his Music.
Also since you are changing formats fthroughout the night try this - I have to run these way some nights.
Run in sets: - Top 40, then club, then classic rock, then metal, then top 40 , then regge, then etc.....
I used to get into these types of disscussions all the time at work, untill dancehall reggea became popular in edmonton. Now The only real hip hop I play is the massively popular songs, the rest of them just get lost in the rotation of other styles. Reggea has replaced Hip Hop (at least for me) personally I like it a lot better.
Rolling in sets also gives you an opoortunity to rotate the dance floor, and if you play it long enough (say 30 mins or more) of hard metal - your can rotate the entire population of the club (I wouldn't recommend this unless your located on your town's "strip")
You can keep your party atmosphere.
There was a stand up comedian from georgia in the club last week he had never been in a room that had rotated the music like we do - he had a blast. He took some a "bicycle" to his hotel so I hope he didn;t get more than he came with. ;)
Good luck!!
Also since you are changing formats fthroughout the night try this - I have to run these way some nights.
Run in sets: - Top 40, then club, then classic rock, then metal, then top 40 , then regge, then etc.....
I used to get into these types of disscussions all the time at work, untill dancehall reggea became popular in edmonton. Now The only real hip hop I play is the massively popular songs, the rest of them just get lost in the rotation of other styles. Reggea has replaced Hip Hop (at least for me) personally I like it a lot better.
Rolling in sets also gives you an opoortunity to rotate the dance floor, and if you play it long enough (say 30 mins or more) of hard metal - your can rotate the entire population of the club (I wouldn't recommend this unless your located on your town's "strip")
You can keep your party atmosphere.
There was a stand up comedian from georgia in the club last week he had never been in a room that had rotated the music like we do - he had a blast. He took some a "bicycle" to his hotel so I hope he didn;t get more than he came with. ;)
Good luck!!
Inviato Thu 17 May 07 @ 1:33 am
doc
Ok, this is my best subject.
A man and his music........... The owners pay the bill. In some states, if the bar becomes a problem, you cannot get your license renewed. No renew, no bar, no money, no dj.
I've been F&B, and manager and DJ. I know as a dj it is hard to be told what to do, but refer to the above lines. You'll be out of business. PLUS, if there are fights, people won't come back, especially women. They don't want to get hurt, have clothes ripped or drinks spilled on them.
We have the same problem here in my area. If we play all hip/hop, we draw the thugs; so, we had to mix it up enough that the wrong crowd will start to keep away.
A man and his music........... The owners pay the bill. In some states, if the bar becomes a problem, you cannot get your license renewed. No renew, no bar, no money, no dj.
I've been F&B, and manager and DJ. I know as a dj it is hard to be told what to do, but refer to the above lines. You'll be out of business. PLUS, if there are fights, people won't come back, especially women. They don't want to get hurt, have clothes ripped or drinks spilled on them.
We have the same problem here in my area. If we play all hip/hop, we draw the thugs; so, we had to mix it up enough that the wrong crowd will start to keep away.
Inviato Thu 17 May 07 @ 2:49 am
Tear Em 'Up
DJ Doc Z wrote :
A man and his music........... The owners pay the bill. In some states, if the bar becomes a problem, you cannot get your license renewed. No renew, no bar, no money,no DJ.
We have the same problem here in my area. If we play all hip/hop, we draw the thugs; so, we had to mix it up enough that the wrong crowd will start to keep away.
We have the same problem here in my area. If we play all hip/hop, we draw the thugs; so, we had to mix it up enough that the wrong crowd will start to keep away.
Also no J O B!!! The Manager signs your check, if they tell you to wear pink every other day you work you either wear pink, or quite. If they tell you to play Glenn Miller, you either play it or quite. This is a no brainer, its not worth loseing sleep over.
Inviato Thu 17 May 07 @ 2:59 am
fatkatzdj
I never said that I had any issues with the music style. Hell, for a year I played in a casino that was filled with smoke and old people. The contract was for up beat music but from the 50, 60, 70, and some 80s. This was a 8 hour shift for a 150.00 bucks every weak.. ( talking about paying your dues).
I grew up in the 80s so anything in the 60, 70 and today will be in my line of expertise. I'm just saying that 95%+ of our crowd request new dance music with a flavor of old school and other variety mixed in for rotation. I tried a couple of nights with solid sets and there wasn't enough of a split to rotate. So, I explained to the owner and manager that if you want to change formats. Just be prepared for a new growth cycle that may take another season for it to grow in the direction they want.
Besides, I'm always looking for new ways to reinvent myself... So this season I'm trying to play in more of a techno / dance / house music to blend my sets.
Hence, the request of some good beats. I'm usually busy and can never get to virtual radio for the hot mixes. And by the way nice sets!
I grew up in the 80s so anything in the 60, 70 and today will be in my line of expertise. I'm just saying that 95%+ of our crowd request new dance music with a flavor of old school and other variety mixed in for rotation. I tried a couple of nights with solid sets and there wasn't enough of a split to rotate. So, I explained to the owner and manager that if you want to change formats. Just be prepared for a new growth cycle that may take another season for it to grow in the direction they want.
Besides, I'm always looking for new ways to reinvent myself... So this season I'm trying to play in more of a techno / dance / house music to blend my sets.
Hence, the request of some good beats. I'm usually busy and can never get to virtual radio for the hot mixes. And by the way nice sets!
Inviato Thu 17 May 07 @ 6:01 am
A Man and His Music
DJ Doc Z wrote :
Ok, this is my best subject.
A man and his music........... The owners pay the bill. In some states, if the bar becomes a problem, you cannot get your license renewed. No renew, no bar, no money, no dj.
I've been F&B, and manager and DJ. I know as a dj it is hard to be told what to do, but refer to the above lines. You'll be out of business. PLUS, if there are fights, people won't come back, especially women. They don't want to get hurt, have clothes ripped or drinks spilled on them.
We have the same problem here in my area. If we play all hip/hop, we draw the thugs; so, we had to mix it up enough that the wrong crowd will start to keep away.
A man and his music........... The owners pay the bill. In some states, if the bar becomes a problem, you cannot get your license renewed. No renew, no bar, no money, no dj.
I've been F&B, and manager and DJ. I know as a dj it is hard to be told what to do, but refer to the above lines. You'll be out of business. PLUS, if there are fights, people won't come back, especially women. They don't want to get hurt, have clothes ripped or drinks spilled on them.
We have the same problem here in my area. If we play all hip/hop, we draw the thugs; so, we had to mix it up enough that the wrong crowd will start to keep away.
Not only are you funny, but you also lack a sense of reality. Your first sentence has some truth to it, but the rest is wishful thinking, at least in my state. It takes years and years of repeated, way over the top behavior, to have you license taken away in New Jersey. Selling alcohol is big business, and bar fights are a part of that business. That's why so many make money from it. Bouncers, off duty police officers, insurance companies count on bar fights to make money. THERE WERE BAR FIGHTS, BEFORE HIP HOP. Ever play in a biker bar? I have, and I'm a black man. I assure you, I was not playing hip hop, and there was always multiple fights. One of my competing clubs, had two guys stabbed to death one night. They were open in 48 hours, and packed. We have had incidents at my club, but they still come. Shit happens, and we move on. If your thinking were correct, the airline industry would have died after 9/11. No one would ever work in a building with more then 3 floors. Do you have any idea how many crimes have been committed in Central Park? Yet they still come. Where I come from, we are not afraid to leave our homes, because death, knows where we live, and can finds us. Virgina Tech, Columbine, shopping malls have all had far worst tragedies, yet are still open. Where I come from, we prosecute the felon, not the location. BTW, when did women stop loving bad boys?
Inviato Thu 17 May 07 @ 11:07 pm
Tear Em 'Up
@ AMaHm I could be wrong, I think the point DJ Doc was trying to make was that problem bars/clubs are just that, problems. Is there an element of our society that go in search of the "Bad Boy" element, yes sadley. But the majority of club owners do not want that element in their places. They want people with money to burn. And I have to take issue with your statement that insurance companies make money from bar fights. They do not, they pay out money after bar fights, and if they are paying out it costs them, and in the end customers. Ask anybar/club owner anywhere what the insurance for a bar/club is, then sit down, they are going to get on a roll about how much it is and how much it takes from the profits.
Personally I stopped trying to get involved with women that like bad boys years ago, I have already been through all that s%t. Yes violence has been around for years/decades/centuries, yes Hip Hop is not the source, yes music has been blamed for a lot of the evils in our world, and yes it is wrong. But not one business owner supports bar fights, even Don King would rather orginize them and make money from the spectators.
And people still fly, go into Central Park, go into tall buildings, go the VT and Columbine for one reason. To show that they are not going to be victims, not because its cool to be there. To stand up and say " We Are Not Going To Be Afriad Of You!!!" We all need to enjoy and embrace and fight for our freedoms! Then again I could be wrong, I am just a caveman.
Personally I stopped trying to get involved with women that like bad boys years ago, I have already been through all that s%t. Yes violence has been around for years/decades/centuries, yes Hip Hop is not the source, yes music has been blamed for a lot of the evils in our world, and yes it is wrong. But not one business owner supports bar fights, even Don King would rather orginize them and make money from the spectators.
And people still fly, go into Central Park, go into tall buildings, go the VT and Columbine for one reason. To show that they are not going to be victims, not because its cool to be there. To stand up and say " We Are Not Going To Be Afriad Of You!!!" We all need to enjoy and embrace and fight for our freedoms! Then again I could be wrong, I am just a caveman.
Inviato Fri 18 May 07 @ 12:02 am
funkturnal
"Music has nothing to do with it"
yes & no. yes theres always been problems but music gets the blame alot because of alot of the lyrics that the music contains. When people are vibing to that "fighting music" (no matter the genre) with mixture of females & alcohol....sometimes theres explosions. One of your jobs as a dj in my eyes is to control that. Yes u most likely will have to play alot of that fight music because thats whats popular @ the moment.......but don't play so many where they get outta control. The only way to learn is hands on. Some dj's just get it others don't.
Now back to the thread.
Unless they are commited to going to an all dance club, but in certain parts that be hard to do & be successfull (again SOME PARTS) Its hard to say because I dunno the area but the way u are describing I would say not to get rid of it entirely & deffinetly try to get into the funkmix/ultimix world (very helpfull as far as cleaning music up) alot of the hip hop tracks have dance versions thats another way to still play it but not play it. ya dig?
yes & no. yes theres always been problems but music gets the blame alot because of alot of the lyrics that the music contains. When people are vibing to that "fighting music" (no matter the genre) with mixture of females & alcohol....sometimes theres explosions. One of your jobs as a dj in my eyes is to control that. Yes u most likely will have to play alot of that fight music because thats whats popular @ the moment.......but don't play so many where they get outta control. The only way to learn is hands on. Some dj's just get it others don't.
Now back to the thread.
Unless they are commited to going to an all dance club, but in certain parts that be hard to do & be successfull (again SOME PARTS) Its hard to say because I dunno the area but the way u are describing I would say not to get rid of it entirely & deffinetly try to get into the funkmix/ultimix world (very helpfull as far as cleaning music up) alot of the hip hop tracks have dance versions thats another way to still play it but not play it. ya dig?
Inviato Fri 18 May 07 @ 12:11 am
i agree with AMaHM ......... in general and specifically in NJ they pay A LOT huge money for a liquor license ,but it's as hard to lose as it is to get which seems only fair
it's not the dj's problem
if you have zero tolerance for problems you will have zero problems , don't let them in the door
it's not the dj's problem
if you have zero tolerance for problems you will have zero problems , don't let them in the door
Inviato Fri 18 May 07 @ 3:59 am
"try to get into the funkmix/ultimix " and promo's ...i consider that just routine don't play nasty stuff regardless
i still maintain though just do your thing and make sure mgmt and security are on board don't let the problems walk in the door or loiter outside......
i still maintain though just do your thing and make sure mgmt and security are on board don't let the problems walk in the door or loiter outside......
Inviato Fri 18 May 07 @ 4:11 am
funkturnal
chucknorrisyouwimps wrote :
"try to get into the funkmix/ultimix " and promo's ...i consider that just routine don't play nasty stuff regardless
i still maintain though just do your thing and make sure mgmt and security are on board don't let the problems walk in the door or loiter outside......
i still maintain though just do your thing and make sure mgmt and security are on board don't let the problems walk in the door or loiter outside......
tru but we have to play what they want to hear........today alot of the stuff they like are indeed nasty.
Inviato Fri 18 May 07 @ 5:42 am
A Man and His Music
[quote=Also no J O B!!! The Manager signs your check, if they tell you to wear pink every other day you work you either wear pink, or quite. If they tell you to play Glenn Miller, you either play it or quite. This is a no brainer, its not worth loseing sleep over.[/quote]
This is funny, and you are absolutely right, for you. We have very different philosophies. You see, I don't have a "J O B". I am a small business owner, I am self employed. You have a "J O B", and have a fear of losing it. I do not have that fear. I have been doing this for almost 40 years. I am extremely good at what I do, and am in demand. I have no problem letting my clients know this. If my club owner fired me tonight, I will be working in another club tomorrow. What you see is what you get. You do not get to change me, to something else. If you don't like the way I do things, don't hire me, someone else will. The only people I take musical advise from, are other DJ's that I respect as peers. I am not here to tell anyone how to play music, either you have it or you don't. I do not have a sign in the booth, that says help me. Some may call me cocky or arrogant, but these people have no place in my life. I call myself confident, and competent.
Just for the record, the shirt was red, not pink. About 12 years ago, I was working in this club in Staten Island, every Wednesday. I was there for 18 months, and they kept giving me a red shirt with staff on the back. I refused to wear it. One night, the manager was drunk (as usual), and insisted that I wear the shirt. I told her, if I wanted to wear a uniform, I would get a job at UPS. She acted like she didn't hear me, and said "what did you say". I repeated it word for word. An hour later, the owner came in, and then one of the other DJ's showed up. The owner called me in the office, and ask me what I said. I told him, that I told her " If I wanted to wear a uniform, I would get a job at UPS. I then looked at her and asked her what part did she not understand. They had to restrain her, and of course I was fired. The other two owners contacted me, and said if I would wear the shirt, and apologies to the manager, I could have my job back. I declined gracefully, and have worked for them in other clubs, throughout the years, but have never worn a shirt. I know who I am, and what I stand for. To me, not compromising my integrity is a no brainer, and I sleep very well.
Also for the record, I only play clean edits. That is my choice, and those that don't like it, can hire someone else. It has actually been a good selling point to my clients. They don't like it in the clubs, but I can handle it. It is not that hard for me to keep the party going, by playing a wide variety of music. Being a great mixer has helped me. I do not play in clubs that only play one type of music.
This is funny, and you are absolutely right, for you. We have very different philosophies. You see, I don't have a "J O B". I am a small business owner, I am self employed. You have a "J O B", and have a fear of losing it. I do not have that fear. I have been doing this for almost 40 years. I am extremely good at what I do, and am in demand. I have no problem letting my clients know this. If my club owner fired me tonight, I will be working in another club tomorrow. What you see is what you get. You do not get to change me, to something else. If you don't like the way I do things, don't hire me, someone else will. The only people I take musical advise from, are other DJ's that I respect as peers. I am not here to tell anyone how to play music, either you have it or you don't. I do not have a sign in the booth, that says help me. Some may call me cocky or arrogant, but these people have no place in my life. I call myself confident, and competent.
Just for the record, the shirt was red, not pink. About 12 years ago, I was working in this club in Staten Island, every Wednesday. I was there for 18 months, and they kept giving me a red shirt with staff on the back. I refused to wear it. One night, the manager was drunk (as usual), and insisted that I wear the shirt. I told her, if I wanted to wear a uniform, I would get a job at UPS. She acted like she didn't hear me, and said "what did you say". I repeated it word for word. An hour later, the owner came in, and then one of the other DJ's showed up. The owner called me in the office, and ask me what I said. I told him, that I told her " If I wanted to wear a uniform, I would get a job at UPS. I then looked at her and asked her what part did she not understand. They had to restrain her, and of course I was fired. The other two owners contacted me, and said if I would wear the shirt, and apologies to the manager, I could have my job back. I declined gracefully, and have worked for them in other clubs, throughout the years, but have never worn a shirt. I know who I am, and what I stand for. To me, not compromising my integrity is a no brainer, and I sleep very well.
Also for the record, I only play clean edits. That is my choice, and those that don't like it, can hire someone else. It has actually been a good selling point to my clients. They don't like it in the clubs, but I can handle it. It is not that hard for me to keep the party going, by playing a wide variety of music. Being a great mixer has helped me. I do not play in clubs that only play one type of music.
Inviato Fri 18 May 07 @ 6:11 am
PFD50
Here is a 40 track list that has a mix of old and older stuff
01 Young Hearts Run Free [Spacedust Club Mix]
02 Disco Kings - Born to be Alive
03 Todd Terry - Jumping [Glitterball Remix]
04 Boogie Pimps - I’ve Got The Music In Me
05 Carl Cox - House Soul
06 Mory Kante- Yeke Yeke
07 Bob Sinclar Feat Gary Nesta Pine - Love Generation (Remix 2006)
08 Silence [DJ Tiësto in Search of Sunrise Remix]
09 Frankie goes to Hollywood - Wellcome to the PleasureDome
10 Tiempo - Saturday Night Sunday Morning
01 Young Hearts Run Free [Spacedust Club Mix]
02 Disco Kings - Born to be Alive
03 Todd Terry - Jumping [Glitterball Remix]
04 Boogie Pimps - I’ve Got The Music In Me
05 Carl Cox - House Soul
06 Mory Kante- Yeke Yeke
07 Bob Sinclar Feat Gary Nesta Pine - Love Generation (Remix 2006)
08 Silence [DJ Tiësto in Search of Sunrise Remix]
09 Frankie goes to Hollywood - Wellcome to the PleasureDome
10 Tiempo - Saturday Night Sunday Morning
Inviato Fri 18 May 07 @ 2:16 pm
Tear Em 'Up
A Man and His Music wrote :
This is funny, and you are absolutely right, for you. We have very different philosophies. You see, I don't have a "J O B". I am a small business owner, I am self employed. You have a "J O B", and have a fear of losing it. I do not have that fear. I have been doing this for almost 40 years. I am extremely good at what I do, and am in demand. I have no problem letting my clients know this. If my club owner fired me tonight, I will be working in another club tomorrow. What you see is what you get. You do not get to change me, to something else. If you don't like the way I do things, don't hire me, someone else will. The only people I take musical advise from, are other DJ's that I respect as peers. I am not here to tell anyone how to play music, either you have it or you don't. I do not have a sign in the booth, that says help me. Some may call me cocky or arrogant, but these people have no place in my life. I call myself confident, and competent.
I'm glad you have no fear of losing your J O B, neither do I, I own my own company. If I fire me I will check into a mental health institution. I was not attacking you, I was pointing out different views to the points you raised. Why are you attacking me? Lets keep this positive, and not personal. Peace and Hair Grease, keep it smooth. T
Inviato Fri 18 May 07 @ 3:27 pm
A Man and His Music
@ TearEmUp
Please read my reply again. I did not feel you were attacking me at all. I felt you were speaking in general terms, and I was replying in general terms. I don't know you well enough, to make this personal, so you can relax.
Please read my reply again. I did not feel you were attacking me at all. I felt you were speaking in general terms, and I was replying in general terms. I don't know you well enough, to make this personal, so you can relax.
Inviato Fri 18 May 07 @ 8:16 pm
gentleman ?
i hope this gives you some laughs
whenever someone "offers" me advice on how to do my job i am reminded of Dr. Smith on Lost in Space .........
" oh my back , the pain, the pain "
" how dare you, you clinking ,clanking catastrophe , of uncollectable junk"
" you lily livered , lead lined lummox !"
i try to think of them as the inconsequential characters that they are ......( a six pack strikes again !)...give their advice the consideration it deserves ?? and just do my thing
one of these days i'm gonna fire myself ,and take 3 weeks off
i hope this gives you some laughs
whenever someone "offers" me advice on how to do my job i am reminded of Dr. Smith on Lost in Space .........
" oh my back , the pain, the pain "
" how dare you, you clinking ,clanking catastrophe , of uncollectable junk"
" you lily livered , lead lined lummox !"
i try to think of them as the inconsequential characters that they are ......( a six pack strikes again !)...give their advice the consideration it deserves ?? and just do my thing
one of these days i'm gonna fire myself ,and take 3 weeks off
Inviato Fri 18 May 07 @ 8:18 pm
A Man and His Music
You are funny Chuck. Where are you from, Philly?
Inviato Fri 18 May 07 @ 8:21 pm
i'm in Pennsauken , NJ which is right across the Betsy Ross bridge from Philly......
i was a teenager living in New Providence (NJ) and used to take the Erie Lackawanna to PATH to Manhattan , sometimes drive to Staten Island .......
i've always liked NJ and NY ......
i was born in Jacksonville ,FL , and lived in south Florida 'til I was 12 , then moved to NJ ....
I'm kinda torn because most of my family has migrated back to FL....... but I like winter sports (skiing) as well as summer sports (skiing) !
i was a teenager living in New Providence (NJ) and used to take the Erie Lackawanna to PATH to Manhattan , sometimes drive to Staten Island .......
i've always liked NJ and NY ......
i was born in Jacksonville ,FL , and lived in south Florida 'til I was 12 , then moved to NJ ....
I'm kinda torn because most of my family has migrated back to FL....... but I like winter sports (skiing) as well as summer sports (skiing) !
Inviato Fri 18 May 07 @ 8:45 pm
