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So since we released this really awesome update - and the forums are so quiet -- I thought I would snoop on over to the SSL guys lair and look at what is going on. And I found this topic -- so in the spirit of -- man I can't believe I am going to say this -- but, in the spirit of getting feedback with our fellow DJ brothers at SSL --- I know criticise me in another thread -- what do you think ?

Go here to watch the video -- http://www.themostaccess.com/2008/06/02/jd-the-state-of-the-music-business/
 
Inviato Mon 02 Jun 08 @ 6:39 pm
Wow, I understand what he is saying. I do not however agree with it. We here are a good example of helping out a fellow DJ. Sure once and a while we run into each other, but we always help out the next guy. Perhaps that is what separates these forums from the other ones out there. Our sense of fellowship with each other.
 
Well my only problem with his statement is that he believes the DJ's should be the artist pawns to push their stuff and get the recognition in order to break it into the market --- where he is misguided is that with the advancements in being able to 'record' you have 'want to be artists' all over the place and in turn you have the same with DJ's so many.

So really both markets are so saturated there are no more true exclusives. To many artists going to the HOT DJs, that would just turn them away because the HOT artists already have enough material moving. And then you have HOT DJs that are remixing the HOT tracks no sooner it his their hands -- so why worry about a 'wanna be' artist stuff. It's a two way street..... and sometimes the artists should turn around with us if we start to carry that 'baton' a different direction
 
sorry mate, nearly switched him off after 15 seconds got to one minute and three and he was gone, that fella is so up his own ass its unbelievable and thats the first time i've seen him...

 
Yeah - the overseas market is way different than here in the states. The HIP HOP artists think they run the music industry and they think it only exists here in the states.
 
cstoll wrote :
The HIP HOP artists think they run the music industry and they think it only exists here in the states.


Yeah, why is that, I've often thought that. I think the only thing that spoils HIP HOP, Is the HIP HOP artist themselves.


 
can't argue with that statement, unfortunately they do come across in the media as in believing their own hype with a lot of lemons believing in it and wanting to be like them, like all things a genre will run its course and fade with a new one taking it's place, all they are trying to do is keep this particular gravy train running as long as they can, passing the buck is just another way to stay in the media highlighting a cause which is slowly fading out of style in peoples feel for their music. me personally i liked a lot of hip hop when it first surfaced but now they've ripped the guts out of it and for me they took the fun away too, with a few exceptions to some of the artists that are out there now.



 
tayla wrote :
sorry mate, nearly switched him off after 15 seconds got to one minute and three and he was gone, that fella is so up his own ass its unbelievable and thats the first time i've seen him...



Same here, and this is not my first time seeing him full of @#*t
 
i couldn't resist. just left this in his little comments section...

speaking as someone who has been dj'ing for the last 15 years, i am perfectly willing to help an artist out and give some spins - IF - he or she has something original and not the same old recycled crap. i swear the last dozen that came up to the club wanting me to spin their cd didn't do anything more than pretend they were out of the ATL or Houston when they were sitting in the studio. and i do mean pretend!
dj's want things that are original to spin just as bad as anyone else, but dammit everything sounds the same right now - too fast, or too slow. be original - you arent young joc, you arent t-pain, you ain't t.i., or anybody else - STOP COPYIN' OTHER PEOPLE SHIT AND MAKING IT LIKE ITS YOUR OWN "STYLE".

our job is to keep the energy level in a club/venue/party/wherever as high as we can without the customers fighting. and you just can't play tracks that are sitting between 75-85bpm's and expect your customers to stay awake. they might be horny as hell from grindin' but you can't keep goin like that 6-7 hours a night.
we got a little excited when flo-rida released "Low", and with some of Pitbull's faster tracks we thought maybe there was gonna be a turnaround back to tracks that were full of energy. and then shit got slow again.

if someone wants to hand me a cd, i'm gonna listen to it, if it sucks -i'm playin frisbee, if it's got potential - i'll offer constructive criticism
if it's golden and i got the time i'll play it that night and give props on the mic and let people know who it is and where he is. and in the last 11 years at the same club i've had that happen once.
 
^Well said. I coudn't agree more.
 
my theory on all the really slow hip hop (60-75bpm) is because they are trying to get both the hip hop and dance markets as now all the djs are trying to mix hip hop into techno and house on the half beat (i.e take a 70 bpm hip hop song and mix into a 140 bpm techno song)....in most cases it sounds like sh*t, but the hip hop people seem to think it is cool because the beats will overlay so it must be good....

I want to know when Djs will learn that it's okay to NOT try to beat match every single song, sometimes a radio seque, slam or simple fade and talk over is MORE effective and MORE appropriate then trying to make a 4 hour mix tape every night!

I realize hip hop is going through "maturing pains" right now and there is a HUGE seperation between half the artists going more towards "dirty rap" and half going more toward "Sexy Pop" and for the most part it all sucks because it's not original, the "sexy pop" is trying to get everybody to grind and it's toooooooooooooooooooo slow and boring and the rap side is just getting WAYYYYYYYYYYYY too angry and vulger and wayyyyyyyyy too slow plus there are 20 artists "featured" on every track (and every one of them has Akon and T Pain on them).

There does seem to be some light at the end of the tunnel that I think really started taking hold a few years ago with Outkast "the Way You Move" and Pussycat Dolls "Don't Cha" and is growing strong lately thanks to the timbaland collaborations with uptempo pop stars and continuing with the latest from Neyo, Chris Brown, Danity Kane, Pitbull, Flo rida and the like that are moving back to an energetic r&b/dance sound...hell even Snoop Dogg took some pointers from Uncle Charlie on Sensual Sensation (never ever thought Snoop would get off the weed long enough to know what 120 bpm was let alone do a song at that tempo).
 


How silly is is comming from a HipHop producer/performer that DJs are dead?

DJ's will always be around playing music at radio shows, pubs, clubs, events and so on... where ever there is music to be played, there will potentially be the need of a dj.

The real statement here should rather be that Hiphop is dead... Way over commercialized, lost is position and impact, and is nothing more than pop chart music by now, recycled beats and tracks, where everything sounds just like the others, and where the life expectancy of a track is about a week or two...

Gone are the days of artist like NWA, Grandmaster Flash, Public Enemy and so on.. Even Snoop and Dre makes crap pop songs by now.

Hiphop is dead, not the dj

 
I agree with all of you but i think the phrase that best fits is "too much of anything is bad" (meaning bad not bad meaning good) Too many lower bpm's, too many artists sounding the same, too many crony sexually charged lyrics that you scratch you head and wonder how the f@# did this get a radio edit... on & on

Older hip hop jams at least sampled tons of different music and all tried to have their "own" sound much like rock bands do. I know you can find one sample that has been used 1 million times but i am talking in general. A tribe called quest didnt sound like cypress hill, ll cool j didnt sound like brand nubian.
 

exactly, and now the producers attack the djs for not fronting new artist, playing cd's delivered them at gigs and taking the run for them?
Well why would we, its all the same crap, so why not rather play the 50cent song that the crowd knows... When all is radio friendly pop songs, rather than true hiphop.

Dont blame the djs for that... ;)


But one statement is true, the radios are the new djs... as far as fronting new artist goes.
The djs are now artist of their own, often more popular and famous than some artist are. And the djs had to change, to become artist, since the radios took the role of being the breaking new artist etc.

The hiphop producers should look at themselves, instead of blaming others :)

 
The artist in the video and a lot of the people that replyed were very street, the use of the word nigger all the time is just laughable.

My favorite quote was:

Most DJ’s don’t LOVE everything thats out there. shit, you think i want to sit in a hot sweaty club till 2am playing lollipop, cyclone and low EVERY SINGLE NIGHT? people are sheep and slaves to the radio. if we play new hot artists nobody’s ever heard of and try to break them… guess what? nobody dances, and we lose our jobs. it’s not so black and white as its put out.
 
exactly...

Blame the radios and the music producers, that produce the crap and make it chart hits ;)

And by the way, why shouldnt a DJ play what the crowd wants, instead of being the messenger for new artist ? Radios are the channel for new artist, these days...
 
dj-in-norway wrote :
exactly...

Blame the radios and the music producers, that produce the crap and make it chart hits ;)

And by the way, why shouldnt a DJ play what the crowd wants, instead of being the messenger for new artist ? Radios are the channel for new
artist, these days...


That's exatcly what I said some post back on the comments.

"I agree with what Dj Michael basic said. When you have people in the club requesting lollipop 10 times a night, but have no love for common , Mos Def or even Lupe Fiasco, it’s not about real music anymore, it’s about what sounds good in the club.(CRAP)

The DJ is dead? The DJ is a slave to the garbage pop music that has replaced good hiphop. Couldn’t have said it better. Dj’s nowadays are slaves to top 40 & the weak music. I’ll never blame a dj for making people in the club dance. It goes way deeper than just what the dj decided to play. He has club owners to please too & to them, all that matters is if people frequent the club. You’re not going to get your club packed by promoting local, new artists, it’ll be packed by playing the new Dj khaled track.

There are 2 types of Dj’s, the Radio DJ & the Club DJ. If you’re in Radio, it’s ok in, fact I think you should always give the new artists a chance. If you’re a club DJ, IMO in doesn’t make sense to try & break a new artist, basically no one wants to hear that crap in the club. People come to the club to have a good time, that’s it. If you are a mixtape Dj, you can definitely throw in one or two tracks from new artists.

On the other hand, if you are a new artist trying to eat, don’t try to promote your music at the local club, not a very wise move. Try the radio DJ."
Posted by The EvE Of Dominance
 
Or better yet, take advantage of the internet. That is where a new artist needs to start promoting him/herself. Here in the states (especially in a major market) you will have a really hard time getting a radio station to play your single unless you have a lot of backing and/or money.
 
There are better copies out there but I found these two. You guys find the original for yourselves.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ZFKXCG23uI&feature=related


I had a few up here but can't remember how to embed the video!

Oh well...follow that link and enjoy.


Who you gonna ride Jermaine?

It is all good guys. I could care less. Death of the DJ...that's cool. Let his accountant spin the music that he sells. Maybe the local Cashier at the deli?

 



There you go Paulie_C :)
 
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