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im going to sale my decks etc as i want to get a dj controller as its smaller than decks etc . i want a controller that does everything so dont have touch my mouse or keyboard when using vdj . i think the hercules rmx looks the best for this ?
just wondering whats the difference between the steel and normal silver rmx . i see one has more outputs etc , is the steel not a sound card ? also i want a controller wheres theres no delay (well low) between using the controller and my laptop . is the steel version just like the ion icue and other products . i just dont want to buy a steel version and find i have big delay between the controller and the laptop

any help or advise appreciated
 
Inviato Wed 08 Jul 09 @ 3:14 pm
meant to say i dont want to buy a sound card , like a maya 44 etc . not sure if i did get the steel version , would i have to buy a sound card for best reults
 
The RMX has a soundcard and the Steel doesnt (just a controller).
 
the best option is hercules rmx it has sound card build in. the steel it does not.
 
think ill give the steel version a miss then . cheers . is the sound card in the rmx good for delay between it and the pc/laptop .also heard master tempo function in vdj is better if u have a better sound card , i only have a standard one in my laptop will the master tempo function work better rmx sound card
 
see this one;

http://www.virtualdj.com/forums/112326/General_Discussion/ESI_Duafire_soundcard_recommendations_.html?search=duafire&page=1

the only thing I will add is an isolator/DI box to assure no hum/noise groundloops.

See
http://www.virtualdj.com/forums/111968/General_Discussion/Advise_Palmer_PLI-04_Passive_DI___Isolator.html?search=pli04&page=1


Personally I think the Hercules steel is better since it is only a controller and all the buttons have lights.
I used the RMX once and got my doubts. I was loosing the jog wheels (VDJ 6.0.1),
http://www.virtualdj.com/forums/111829/PC_Version_Technical_Support/Hercules_RMX_VDJ_6_0_1_Loosing_Jog_wheels.html?search=freek%20mooij&page=1

So to me it looks that USB powered is not reliable enough for sound card and controller. Firewire sound cards have lower delay then USB. Getting the cost point of 300 euro for the RMX was removing LEDs and ......................

And lastly if you have separate sound card and controller you can more easy do emergency tricks if something fails as well as upgrade change controller later.
my 2 ct.

freek
 
thanks for that info . sorry but just a little confused , heard that maya 44 usb is a good sound card to get for using with vdj (think about 80 pound gbp on ebay) can i use this with the hercules rmx steel ? i presume i would connect my amp to the maya 44 for output sound , just not sure how that would affected the performance and latency with the rmx steel controller . bit lost . i understand how to connect a turntable set up with a maya usb set up with vdj , just not sure with controllers with just a usb lead on the back (like the rmx steel )

thanks again everybody for anymore help , sorry if all ?s are annoying :/
 

If you are thinking about buying the RMX then you will not need to buy a Maya44

If you are thinking about buying the Steel then you will need a soundcard such as the Maya44

I have a Maya44 along with 2 other soundcard. It's a average card, and it has a quite low output, buts easy to use and it's reliable. The Maya44 output will go start to you amp. The Steel will just control the software.

You can pick a Maya44 here for about £75.
 
thanks for that . im just wondering if i used a rmx steel with no sound card like maya44 , just a normal sound card like in my laptop will the latency between the controller (rmx steel) and output from the laptop be really bad . basically is that why you need a good sound card (better one than what comes standard in a laptop)

cheers again , that the last question promise .
 
Hello Ryan_Harmonic,

1) The is no product called Rmx Steel, there are 2 difference controllers:
- Hercules DJ Console Rmx = DJ controller with integrated audio interface
- Hercules DJ Control Steel = DJ controller without audio.

2) The latency of any control surface (either Rmx or Steel) is below the latency of an audio interface since
- the latency of a DJ control surface is generally below 1.5ms with today's generations of controllers,
- while it is unlikely you go below a latency of 4ms with an audio interface.
so there is no need to consider the latency of any DJ control surface, what counts is the latency of the audio interface.

3) The sound card in a laptop computer is generally not very adapted to DJing since DJing requires 2 independant stereo outputs:
- 1 for the audience, to play the mix in speakers,
- 1 for the preview, to pre-listen next audio track in headphones,
so you need 2 independant stereo outputs, and most laptops have only 1 stereo output.
To get the best latency, it is better to use both outputs on the same audio interface than to keep the stereo output of your computer and to add the stereo output of another sound card (combining 2 audio interfaces is complicated since the synchronization of 2 audio interfaces often requires a higher latency than the latency of any of the 2 sound cards, except when you combine 2 identical sound cards).

4) The audio of a DJ Console Rmx is better than the audio of a Maya 44 USB (with the Rmx, you have 2 phono preamplifiers and a microphone input with talko-over, which you have not on a Maya 44 USB, and the Rmx duplicates the output 1-2 in RCA + jack 1/4 while you have only RCA outputs in the Maya), so it is a matter of cost:
- if you can afford Maya 44 + DJ Control Steel, while you cannot afford DJ Console Rmx, then go for Maya 44 + DJ Control Steel,
- if you can afford DJ Console Rmx, then go for Rmx.

DJ Control Steel is attractive either for people who want:
- a cheaper sound card than the Rmx (for example, if you want a sound card below euro 120)
- or a better sound card than the Rmx (for example, if you want a sound card at euros 399).
 
 
I switched over the to Hercules RMX last year and I love it......absolutely no delay between controller and PC. However, that depends on what kind of system your running. My PC has a Centrino processor with 2 gigs of RAM and it works fine. good luck
 
I also use a Centrino with 2 GB of RAM, and the RMX performs well on this machine.
 
Hi guys,

I've been reading this forum and just wanted to make sure i got it right.

So you guys are saying that if you already have another soundcard other than what your computer is using then you can use the Steel and if you are only relying one the one that you computer has then get the RMX.

Is my assumption correct?
 
earcandy wrote :
Hi guys,

I've been reading this forum and just wanted to make sure i got it right.

So you guys are saying that if you already have another soundcard other than what your computer is using then you can use the Steel and if you are only relying one the one that you computer has then get the RMX.

Is my assumption correct?


Yes you could look at it that way, and there would be no problem if you used that configuration.

But then how good is your current sound card? How old is it? Culd it do with an upgrade? If so the RMX "all-in-one" solution is a good option.

Plus the fact its one less box of tricks to set up and configure. If space and/or setup/breakdown time is important go with the RMX.

Cheers,

Roy
 
Hi all

Just a footnote. The maya44 is no longer in production but if you buy one support is still available.

Daz
 
thanks for the reply.

I am just doing this as a hobby or as some of you would put it, i am a bedroom dj. I already have a USB sound card that I got from another software I tried out. What I have been doing was cueing the music from the USB sound card and playing the music from my computer's soundard which has been working fine but limiting in the fact that you are using the keyboard and the mouse.

With the setup I already have, would it be ok to use the Steel? I was planning to use the usb soundcard on my macbook and hook up external speakers.
 
earcandy wrote :
thanks for the reply.

I am just doing this as a hobby or as some of you would put it, i am a bedroom dj. I already have a USB sound card that I got from another software I tried out. What I have been doing was cueing the music from the USB sound card and playing the music from my computer's soundard which has been working fine but limiting in the fact that you are using the keyboard and the mouse.

With the setup I already have, would it be ok to use the Steel? I was planning to use the usb soundcard on my macbook and hook up external speakers.


In that case then, what you are suggesting would work fine.

Be sure to check back and let us know how you're getting on.

Cheers,

Roy
 
get the rmx their is not a big price diference between the two so why not go one step further and get the sound car for room to upgrade (tccd-tcv) i use the rmx and love it it takes some configuring but when you get used to the setup its one of the best in my books. i have also played with alot of other controllers and the only one i like better is numarks ns7 but it also has its downs if price is a problem for you their is also another option and that would be beheringer bcd3000 its cheaper but does the job its just a toy hope i helped a bit......
 
it's pretty much a difference of $100 between the RMX and the steel which may be a lot for people just doing this for fun. I'm also fine without adding more input like another cd player or turntable. And yes, the NS7 is sweet!!! maybe if I hit the lottery.
 
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