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vdj_pARtybOy wrote :
I also noticed that the pitch fader gets a little nervous when pushing the reset button. moving the pitch fader doesn't affect the platter spinning speed,no matter what Tempo Range 8<50%, the platter wont speed up/down,this is not a problem in Traktor Pro,and or Mixxx (freeware), so this shouldn't be hard to fix,right?


I am always excited when this controller system is mentioned.

Okay the pitch fader reset button may get "nervous" as you call it but regardless when you hit the rest button the fader might do some crazy things, but as far as the software is concerned it slowly moves your pitch to reset or 0

Yes the stanton SCS 1.D system plotter was not designed to my knowledge to speed up or speed down with pitch being changed.

For those wondering about a LE version of software. To my knowledge at least in the US market releases these units were never released with any software other than da. Router software. Which is not needed for Virtual DJ. No LE version exists with this deck mixer etc. Not for Traktor or Virtual DJ.

Cons of this rig.
As much as I like this controller it is riddled with problems
1. Led strips go bad, while they are not exactly needed. They are handy and its frustrating when something as novel as they are stop working properly but thankfully you can most of them (effects especially on the screen)
2. They require a firewire connection (Legacy) Also they seem to work with all types of firewire ports, However, TI chipset yields the best results! (few if any laptops come with this or even an Express card expansion slot if they do they are UBER expensive)
3.The firewire and Midi signals are really being pushed to their limits, mainly the MIDI interface to your computer is really being maxed out.
4. I have no idea how or where you would find replacement slip mats for these units, You will have to beg stanton for them.
5. No matter what you do it is next to impossible to keep the two decks in perfect sync with vynal mode engaged.
6. It seems that in vynal mode one deck always plays back music better than the other.
7. You will want to used advanced config if you are going to use the mixer that is part of the system to set up your PFL its not hard, just no manual or how to guide.
8. Longevity of these units are well uncertain.
9. There will be no second release date for these units.

It is ashame that these units went to the way side. USB 3 could easily handle all the data, unfortunately they are Firewire.
Stanton had some exciting novel ideas when the SCS 1 and SCS 3 were released. However since then the Gibson company has bought them out. Gibson has not released any information regarding their DJ systems and nothing new has been made since Gibson bought them out. It appears that Gibson has no interest in expanding or really updating Stanton in the DJ controller market. I may be wrong, but they haven't made any announcements or even inclinations that they are working on anything new and exciting.

Stanton has been riddled with problems in their controllers that they never unfortunately worked out all the kinks. It appears this is all due to Stanton choosing to go with cheaper components in their dj controllers and basically maxing them out beyond what they were really intended to perform. It would have been nice if they would have used slightly more expensive computer chips and part, and charged a little more for their product. So their existing products had room to grow. However, this is not the case what is done is done. Also PartyBoy it is to my best knowledge that Stanton no longer has a working relationship with Traktor. I know they don't have a working relationship with Serato.

I think that if stanton could reissue the SCS 1 deck system upgrade their components and change the firewire to USB they would have an impressive system they could dub the SCS 1 MKII or something. This is unlikely and wishful thinking for a few reasons.

1. People already complain about the large massiveness of the Pioneer DDJ SZ which is a super impressive controller, I won't get side tracked I promise. But if people think that controller is too big.. they are going to think the modular system of the SCS 1 is too bulky and too much to carry around. People have become lazy and want everything in a small compact package, however that just isn't possible.

2. the high end of the controller market is about 2k for Computer based controllers. It would probably be to expensive to offer a competitive product like the SCS 1 with updated tech, components etc. I may be wrong. Since the SCS 1 system requires a computer and no part of it can function on its own as a stand alone. It will not appeal to many people.

For the record despite this controllers short comings I do indeed love it. once you sort out the kinks it is reliable enough
 
thanks for the feedback, been using one scs1d deck for about 2 years, in Traktor Pro,flawless, and last december I got me a scs1m mixer,yes they have missings lines in a few LCD windows,but other than that they work fine.the thing is that the pitch fader spinning and or scratch works perfect in Traktor also with Mixxx, why can't it work with VDJ?
vdj_pARtybOy wrote :
why does the scratching sounds so good with Play Key Off?when the track is not playing,scratching sounds very good like vinyl,but when Play is On its sounds a bit jumpy,is it the sound algorythm has I meantioned before?I tried a lot of diferent values in Jog scratch sens 1103,default scratch 1103, jog motor scratch 2048 ,motor instant play - off, what settings should I use??
thank you.
 
Scratch works flawless for me. You might have to set your latency to something different or your buffers to something like quality to different parameters? Is your Firewire a TI chipset? Do you have an expansion slot to install a TI chipset?

Your issue might resolve in the TI chipset.

Maybe it will play better with Virtual DJ 8?

Not sure.
 
the scratching is fine,but I think it sounds a little too fast when I have the deck playing,when the deck is not playing it sounds perfect,just like in Traktor or Mixxx, inTraktor is a bit slower,I cant scratch scribbles so quick as in VDJ or Mixxx...
I'm using a Macbook 2.2ghz/4GB RAM with firewire port, not using any expansion slot.
 
Hi there,after tweaking around on Registry Tool, I'm using these settings for now,it feels much better:
JogScratchSensitivity 1225
JogSensitivityCue 2265
JogSensitivityBend 256
TouchwheelRamp 4096
MotorScratchSmooth 15,
these last 2 are important for that vinyl feel, now I can scratch a slow drag with very little warble.its till sounds better with Play Off/Motor Off.
still hoping on better sound quality in VDJ8.looking forward.
 
vdj_pARtybOy wrote :
Hi there,after tweaking around on Registry Tool, I'm using these settings for now,it feels much better:
JogScratchSensitivity 1225
JogSensitivityCue 2265
JogSensitivityBend 256
TouchwheelRamp 4096
MotorScratchSmooth 15,
these last 2 are important for that vinyl feel, now I can scratch a slow drag with very little warble.its till sounds better with Play Off/Motor Off.
still hoping on better sound quality in VDJ8.looking forward.

unlikely
Due to you are limited on sound by the ASIO drivers.

i think the problem lies in the unit itself or your computer can't keep up one or the other. the data and everything is to the max on a set of these i feel like. I am going to order a few more units and see if I can hack them and convert them to USB instead.

I find it rather sad there is no USB 3 midi interfaces. Midi needs a serious upgrade or something new needs to emerge. They are building all this stuff on architecture that really can't keep up.
 
djmike001 wrote :
vdj_pARtybOy wrote :
Hi there,after tweaking around on Registry Tool, I'm using these settings for now,it feels much better:
JogScratchSensitivity 1225
JogSensitivityCue 2265
JogSensitivityBend 256
TouchwheelRamp 4096
MotorScratchSmooth 15,
these last 2 are important for that vinyl feel, now I can scratch a slow drag with very little warble.its till sounds better with Play Off/Motor Off.
still hoping on better sound quality in VDJ8.looking forward.

unlikely
Due to you are limited on sound by the ASIO drivers.

i think the problem lies in the unit itself or your computer can't keep up one or the other. the data and everything is to the max on a set of these i feel like. I am going to order a few more units and see if I can hack them and convert them to USB instead.

I find it rather sad there is no USB 3 midi interfaces. Midi needs a serious upgrade or something new needs to emerge. They are building all this stuff on architecture that really can't keep up.


Yes it is very unlikely, any further improvements would have to come from a firmware upgrade most likely. But since this unit is now officially classified as a legacy product by stanton http://www.stantondj.com/stanton-legacy-products.html Best wishes..


 
I maybe wrong,but I think that it is a VDJ problem,searched the site some time back and found that ns7 and denon sc3900 users,have similar problems, laso the decks work great in Mixxx,and in Traktor, just that TP2 only has HID for the S2 and S4 controllers, but I only tried with 1 deck and mixer, do have the same problem on another dj software?have you tried syncin 2 decks in Traktor?
 
I just bought a license for VDJ8, and I'm having an issue on the 1D. It goes from Deck 1 to Deck 3 when I hit Deck Select. No Deck 2!? I don't think it's a hardware issue since it works flawlessly in Traktor. Any idea what could cause this? I don't want to cancel my subscription...
 
It's probably been mapped for use with two SCS.1D decks (I assume you only have one) so it would mean changing the mapping for the Deck Select button.
 
Yeah I got only one. I think you're right cause meanwhile I was waiting for a reply, I did a firmware update and the Deck 2 was there when I opened VDJ, and 2 seconds later it goes back from 1 to 3. I guess I'm gonna have to dig a little more into mapping... A little disappointed since I thought VDJ had native support for the system. Oh well.
 
Hang tight. I'm sure a mapping geek will be along shortly!

I did have a look at what's mapped to the Deck Select button and it's a huge long string - but I did notice a few deck 3 references in there.

See, when using two decks (as most DJs would) SCS #1 would switch between VDJ decks 1 & 3 and SCS #2 between 2 & 4.

You only have one, so it would need to be tweaked to switch between 1 & 2.
 
That makes perfect sense:) Wow I'm actually impressed at how the community here is helping! Yeah I noticed that long string too, gonna save it to a text file and try messing with it! Thanks a lot!
 
You could try something like this:

action_deck 1 ? deck 2 assign_controller 'SCS1D' 1 : action_deck 2 ? deck 3 assign_controller 'SCS1D' 1 : action_deck 3 ? deck 4 assign_controller 'SCS1D' 1 : action_deck 4 ? deck 1 assign_controller 'SCS1D' 1


Disclaimer: I haven't tested this at all!
 
As I was about to pull my hair trying to understand how it worked, I tried your code and it works PERFECTLY!!!! A big thank you!!!

Since you're so helpful, could I ask another one (I suck at this, I know). My channel one and two on the SCS.1M are inverted, any idea how to fix this?
 
Ok, so I just wanted everybody here to know that every works fine with VDJ8. Works so much better than Traktor! I love it so much that I'll try to get my hands on a second SCS.1D. Thanks a lot!
 
Im gonna need to see some proof that they work with VDJ8 cause my 5500's sure don't work in midi mode.

Proof or its not true.............
 
I have two SCS-3D's but never tried the SCS-1D.How do they differ?
 
Huge difference bro, check the video,
 
Wow!...with Firewire outs? hmm...checkout the multi effects controls.See? thats what bugging me with VDJ8.they need to make so you can see more than one effect per deck...one little slot with dropdown menu its not enough...
 
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