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hi guys, im having a little trouble with my chauvet micro barrel ech-620's ... i want to se them in master slave mode, but have no user manual and cant find one online. its not even listed in the chauvet discontinued products listing.

is there a safe way to find out? and when in master slave mode, should they still change to the beat of the music? aso should they be moving/chnging "before" the music starts??

thanks.
 
Inviato Thu 19 Apr 12 @ 12:09 pm
well i found this on the martin bulletin board.. still nothing about master/slave setup though...

Micro-barrel

CH1 0>14 power off; 15>23 (strobe - same speed); 24>35 White big circle gobo; 36>47 Pink vertical sqare bar gobo; 48>59 white small circle gobo; 60>71 Green bars gobo; 72>83 Magenta gobo; 84>95 cyan stars gobo; 96>107 red gobo; 108>119 cyan dots gobo; 120>131 yellow gobo; 132>143 Magenta gobo; 144>155 green dots gobo; 156>167 orange horizontal dot bar gobo; 168>179 white vertical dot bar gobo; 180>255 gobo wheel rotation slow to fast
CH2 0>80 mirror barrel clockwize rotation fast to slow; 81>173 not rotating; 174>255 Counter clockwize rotation slow to fast
 
I found the manual-page too but nothing..... Got the type right?
What you found are the DMX-instructions to get the different actions. So now you know it is controllable with 2 channels ;)
 
Are you sure it even does master/slave?

Not all lights can. I've just found it for sale on a site, and the listed spec doesn't mention master/slave.
 
this is the problem, i not entirely sure. if i connect them together with all of thedipswitches on, then they both to the exact same thing but dont seem to be moving to the music.
 
Blulite wrote :
is there a safe way to find out? and when in master slave mode,

There are limitations with Master/Slave mode, first you must use identical fixtures as well to have all syncronized action in a chain or group, It may be possible to mix similar fixtures, but check your manuals. Don't expect non-identical fixtures to play together properly in the same behaviour. There some fixtures that they can support master/slave mode for 4 fixtures (1 master, 3 slaves) and even 8(1 master, 7 slaves) this is limited and possible if the manual state so. You must alway consider reading those manual to get what you want.

Blulite wrote :
should they still change to the beat of the music? aso should they be moving/chnging "before" the music starts??

You may have the control of DMX, but with syncronization of sound active mode among the same fixtures is a question. You can't have them both ways. In DMX mode... setting all the fixtures to sound active mode... in this mode... each fixture responds to sound active on its own, not in an syncronized manner as a group, they won't behave as one unit in DMX sound active mode. The Sound active in Master/slave mode must be program and set as the master does the sound active mode, and the slaves follow what the masters fixture do... so thats how the slave fixtures usually do and in this setting you can have your fixtures syncronized with sound active mode response.

Blulite wrote :
but dont seem to be moving to the music

Maybe setting of DIP switch or program setting to be corrected. If not then look for audio input. Some good brands have audio line input to plug your audio out from your mixer or CD player and some low end lighting does built-mics to capture the sounds but it doesn't response precisely.
 
@ceaser, the features are identical, the issue i have is that i "dont" have the manual and cant find it online, so amm stuck with the current issue at hand. i therefore do not know if master/slave or dmx sound active modes are available or even possiblehence the reason for my begining theis thread. i fully understand the basic concept and arrangements of sound active, dmx modes etc. i just dont have the knowledge of the settings for these lights in particular. i have looked for line inputs and there is none :( im still awaiing a reply from chauvet in regards to if manual is available.

thanks, john.
 
the light is master/slave with Stand alone w/built-in programs soon as you dmx it (ie with 512 setings) the ligth will not have it in built-in programs as it may be 5-6 yrear old stock some new led lighting do keep in built programs .
if the light have a 1/4" jack it can work with a controller (not dmx) whitch has black out/ speed /programs.
or you go full dmx 512 protocol with controller .
below is chauvet dmx and master/slave settings for all older lighting .

Setting up a DMX Serial Data Link1) Connect the (male) 3-pin connector of the
DMX cable to the output (female) 3-pin
connector of the controller.
2) Connect the other end of the cable to the
(male) 3-pin input connector of the first
fixture
3) Connect the cable from the output of the
first fixture to the input of the second
fixture.
4) Continue connecting the other features
as indicated above.
CHAUVET Certified DMX Data Cables
Order Code Description
DMX1.5 DMX Cable 1.5 m/4.9 ft
DMX4.5 DMX Cable 4.5 m/14.8 ft
DMX10 DMX Cable 10 m/32.8 ft
Master/Slave Fixture Linking
1) Link the fixtures as indicated in steps 1 to 4 of the previous section.
2) The Master/Slave mode of the fixture does not require any setup or initialization. The first fixture
in the daisy chain automatically assumes the role of Master unit regardless of its DIP switch
settings.
3) Similarly, the fixtures that follow in the daisy chain automatically assume the role of Slave units,
regardless their DIP switch settings.

hope this helps .

triggs
 
thanks triggs, the lights do follow the same pattern when all dp switches are to the "on" position, however they do not appear to be reacting to the music. do you have any ideas as to why this may be hapening?
 
That is because you need to set up the first unit to react to the music. But without the manual...
 
if i flip all the dips to off, then it reacts to sound... would that be the way forward. then the other one should follow right? according to the instructions triggs gave the slave will slave despite the dip positions.

also martin can you please give me your opinion, being a user of the velleman kit, as to if it would be good enough for me to run my rig without issues? i plan to buy a 3m truss for my lighting and have my deckstand underneath i remember you saying its ok for up to around 20m??
 
The Velleman kit works. That's it. It's plug-and-play. There's 1 thing that bothers Velleman-users and that's its incapability to handle a large amount of DMX-channels. This is a known issue to the Freestyler-developers so they created a feature where you can limit the used DMX-channels and increase the speed of the interface. I've limited it to 96 channels but running it in S2L-mode there's still a little lag. It is noticeable to me. I don't think it is noticeable to the audience. Because I sometimes work as a theatre-engineer I needed something more snappy so that's why I ordered the Enntec Pro-dongle (which is still on it's way....)

I can't recall mentioning the length of truss. The length if truss with a load is different for the different types of truss. So before ordering you should check if it is capable of carrying your lights in weight over the 3 mtr you plan to buy. Ignore the deco-truss, that's way too light to use with multiple fixtures.
 
thanks, im not sure how many channels im going to need but i need to be able to control "all" of my current dmx kit.

2 x chauvet micro barrel
2 x revo 1
1 x lfx revolver
1 x fogger
1 x chauvet dmx-4 relay pack (2 scanners and 3 moon flowers connected)

i really dont know just yet "exactly" how many channels im going to need. but i do plan on adding 2 moving heads, 2-4 scanners, strobe and laser. so im not sure if the lower level 96 channels may not suffice, the reason for asking is i was planning to pop to maplin tomorrow to buy one as theyre only £50 and would allow me to delve deeper into the learning curve on dmx.

it was in a different thread when you mentioned it, it wasnt the size of the truss, but the length of the cable run.

this was in the thread regarding dmx foggers, heres a quote from one of your posts

QUOTE]

For the "Not-DMX-Capable" fixtures there's a different solution: The switchpack. It's like a dimmerpack, but all it does is turning your fixtures on and off. Works for me.
Check the freestylerDMX-site for compatible USB-DMX-interfaces. I've tried the Velleman kit, but it's too slow if you use more channels so tonight I ordered the Enntec USB Pro-interface.
If you need any help creating fixture-files, send me a PM. I found out I could create a decent fixture-file by just reading the fixture-manual...
If you are keeping your cables not too long you could work with standard XLR Male - XLR Female cables as long as you end with a terminator. (You can make one yourself with a XLR Male and a 110 Ohm / 1 Watt metal film resistor (or 2x 220 Ohm 0,5 W) between pin 2 and 3). For me this works up to 20 mtrs.

QUOTE]
 
Blulite wrote :
thanks triggs, the lights do follow the same pattern when all dp switches are to the "on" position, however they do not appear to be reacting to the music. do you have any ideas as to why this may be hapening?


If it doesn't work the way triggs have advice you i think you need to switch the "SOUND ACTIVE MODE" somewhere in the DIP switch as this is not automatic some fixture, you need to adjust the sensitivity of how the fixtures being sensitive to sounds try to full up the faders and have the volume louder to see how react nothing will happen if the controller/DMX fader is down or just right an email to the lighting company just indicate the model number of the lights you have and ask them to send you the manual.





 
hi ceaser, ive tried various settings and myamp cranked right up, they still dont seem to react when they are connected via dmx. although they do react the exact same way.

i emailed chauvet almost a week ago and have yet to hear back from them.
 
Blulite wrote :
it was in a different thread when you mentioned it, it wasnt the size of the truss, but the length of the cable run.


LOL! That's definately something else... :D With 3 mtr of truss I think you won't exceed 9 or 10 mtr of cable, so standard 3-pin cables will work fine. Just make sure you'll terminate the line.
Ok. let's count: The micro-barrels use 2 channels each, the Revo 1 up to 4, the LFX 3, the fogger 1 and the switchpack 4. That's a total of 16 channels. Then your wishlist: The strobe max. 3 channels, moving heads up to 14 each, scanners max 6 (x4) and a laser? Most DMX-laser don't use many channels. If you want more functionality you have to use ILDA-control, so for now max. 5 channels.
That's a total of 76 channels. You've got some room left... ;)
 
thanks martin, ive ordered the velleman kit today, IMO for £49.99 i cant really go wrong. it will get me started at least and give me a better feel for DMX, like you though i will upgrade to the enttec module once i save up enough money.
 
hi guys, well ive got my velleman kit, its all assembled and up and running... however, what on earth am i supposed to do next???
 
ROFL!!
That's the spirit....
I got my Enntec Pro. Will tell you about it next week when I had the chance to hook up some fixtures.

Well, you've got the gear. With the Velleman came a CD with a simple controllerprogram on it (DMX Light Player). That's something you can start with. It's pretty basic and can help you understand what DMX can do for you. Get yourself some microphone-cables and start linking from the dongle to your fixtures. To make it easier on yourself address your fixtures subsequential, starting the first fixture with 1. Keep in mind that the next fixture starts with the first free channel. If the previous fixture starts with (for example) channel 15 and requires 6 channels, it means it will use channel 15 to 20. So the next fixture starts with 21.

If you are up to it, visit http://www.freestylersupport.com/fsforum/ and take some weeks off for reading.... The program is free but it has so many features. With your rig you can keep it as simple as you want but keep full controll. If you are lucky, most fixtures have already fixturefiles included so you won't have to make them yourself. (But even that ain't rocketscience if you got the fixture's manuals)
 
Martin FourS wrote :
ROFL!!
That's the spirit....
I got my Enntec Pro. Will tell you about it next week when I had the chance to hook up some fixtures.

Well, you've got the gear. With the Velleman came a CD with a simple controllerprogram on it (DMX Light Player). That's something you can start with. It's pretty basic and can help you understand what DMX can do for you. Get yourself some microphone-cables and start linking from the dongle to your fixtures. To make it easier on yourself address your fixtures subsequential, starting the first fixture with 1. Keep in mind that the next fixture starts with the first free channel. If the previous fixture starts with (for example) channel 15 and requires 6 channels, it means it will use channel 15 to 20. So the next fixture starts with 21.

If you are up to it, visit http://www.freestylersupport.com/fsforum/ and take some weeks off for reading.... The program is free but it has so many features. With your rig you can keep it as simple as you want but keep full controll. If you are lucky, most fixtures have already fixturefiles included so you won't have to make them yourself. (But even that ain't rocketscience if you got the fixture's manuals)


what i have so far, is velleman kit connected to my 2 chauved micro barels (startng small for now will add the others as i go) the closest profile i could find was for the chauvet micro scan. both freestyler dmx and dmx light player. no manuals for any of my fixtures (because google is a prat), chauvet have neglectted to contact me regarding the manual for the micro barrels...grr.

i plan to spend a few hours playing around with things today to see what i can get done... not actually sure what i am supposed to be doing tho lol
 
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