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They say it also has a "head in the sand" mode which hides the sync button, for those DJs who are too scared to even have it on their screen. Excellent!

I wonder if it will be possible to have it hidden but still access it via a keyboard button or MIDI mapping on a controller, kind of like a stealth sync, so it doesn't seem like you're using it, but secretly you are.
 
Come on, not the same old debate again. I drive a car to work. Would I look cooler if I rode a horse. Can I get a car disguised as horse. Really..........
 
This is just my opinion. That being said. The differences will eventually become blurred between the softwares. Think of cars. Once, they had little in common. After a few decades of market research, they all came to similar conclusions and developed similar types of cars. I think DJ/mixing software will see a similar occurrence.
 
Well, since I went back to turntables a little over a year ago and buying the DDJ-SX beginning of this year, I have been using Serato at all my gigs. Only time I use VDJ is during my VDJ Radio Broadcast and when I get gigs that requires me to do videos.

As I have posted in the past, I have one foot in the Serato camp and will probably move over soon. Only thing that is keeping me is the promise that VDJ 8 will have a better DVS support. That is really what I find lacking in the VDJ. With the recent news of SDJ being an all in one software, and having ACTUAL DATES ON RELEASES, this is really tempting me to fully adapt Serato video shortcomings and all. I also like it that, in my perception, Serato is still committed to continually support DVS with controllers as its add on. Somehow the opposite is the perception I get with VDJ, with its focus on the controller market.

Every software has its short comings. But you need to use the right tool for you!! As of right now, both VDJ and Serato suits me at the moment. I would rather just use one software, but with VDJ severely lacking in DVS and Serato in Video (yeah I know there is Mix Emergency, but again its another software), I have to use both.

Still impatiently waiting to see what VDJ offers for us old school guys that still like the feel and functions of vinyl........Fingers crossed......
 
Well said ^^
 
xcakid wrote :
Well, since I went back to turntables a little over a year ago and buying the DDJ-SX beginning of this year, I have been using Serato at all my gigs. Only time I use VDJ is during my VDJ Radio Broadcast and when I get gigs that requires me to do videos.
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No offence, but first of all your radio sets are average, if you want some honesty.
Your mixing is far from any DMC master, and scratching is definitively not something I've heard you master ever.
But please do post a DVS skill video of you showing that VDJ is not capable of matching your needs ..
And all your promo sets on soundcloud for your as a dj feature no such thing as even a baby scratch.
Even off beat, and off structure, your 80's set being a good example on Soundcloud.

In addition by own statement, you have bought the DDJ-SX to use with Serato..
Where does the timecode and DVS needs come in to that? its a MIDI controller.

And clearly on FB and elsewhere this is what you are using, midi controllers.. .
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Have never seen you or heard you use timecode, or heard you mix anything close to having the need for it.
And are you even remotely close to an authority on the topic? Something I doubt, to be honest.
It seems to be re-circulation of old myths and hype for the sake of trolling, and putting down...

Cant help but think you are most of all just trolling. You are posting the same stuff over and over.. . and over and over..
But thats nothing new from Serato fan-boys...

But ok .. Serato has sync now, so at least one less trolling argument to diss about ... ;)
 
This is a shocker to me. So the sync button dialog can finally die??? VDJ>SSL . . . I bought an SL2 simply because I got it for the low low, after working the hell out of some holiday sales and lowest price guarantees. I'm not impressed with it. I have been following a thread on the Serato forum that has too many users for me to count screaming for native support of the Denon MC6000. They finally mapped it in SSL 2.5, and got the lights working. Not really impressed though, as VDJ and the MC6000 are the $#!+ together. I always wondered why the guys over there would say "please support this controller, don't make me switch to VDJ". I wouldn't dare waste my time trying to convince a heavy Serato user to kick, and use the software that the controller was meant to be used with. I have heard so many Serato DJ horror stories, that I can promise you that I will be in no hurry to buy it if we don't get updated for free. Might play around with it for free . . . MIGHT. I have had only a couple of issues that I couldn't sort out with VDJ, and those will probably be fixed in 8. Most problems I've had were fixed with patience, research and help from some of the brilliant people on this forum. Many resulted from pure USER ERROR. 7.4 has been extremely stable for me, because I worked to make sure I had it set up correctly. I never really took to Serato. I try to give real reasons why I like or don't like something, so here goes. Serato is great with timecode, and it's great to be able to save loop points, but i hate it's pitch correction, it doesn't detect key, I hate crates, i refuse to pay for an inferior video plugin, etc, etc.
 
samirdj21 wrote :
What I like about Serato, is their sense of commitment to the user is no longer a mystery SDJ release 1.5 comes out in October, is simply synonymous with reliability, responsibility and respect for the user ...


In all fairness, that is talk about an update, not a complete re rewrite. It is much easier to predict a new feature. They never really promised a date to SDJ. They also never really promised some controllers.

Last, they promised a fix for the iTunes play library load crash. Well, it did not fix it for me, I did all the steps. Deleting and re building library files from iTunes side, etc. They only way SDJ works for me is to turn of iTunes library and disconnect my NS7 before I start SDJ every time or it crashes. I gave up again...

BTW, nice SYNC buttons on that Rane 64!
 
Thats a known issue affecting the library in general - it's not just limited to iTunes. I believe it is down to several factors including number of tracks, folders, subfolders, crates, subcrates and so on. Serato have said the fix may not make it into 1.5.

That actually highlights a downside to setting a release date. You are bound by a deadline rather than it being right.
 
The problem you guys at vdj are having is a difficult one to over come, despite the many more features you may have over serato or traktor.....vdj is just not consider professional in the dj world, because anyone can get a copy so easily go out with just a laptop and now your a dj... so the IMAGE you guys PORTRAIT is that vdj is for beginners, not saying professional don't use it, when a dj see someone using vdj first thing that comes to mind, this guy is a beginner until they listen of course.. so its the reputation that you guys have, i think rather than comparing to other software you guys should start working on your image. The truth of the matter is, after serato and traktor then come everything else, simple as that.
 
It would be kind of cool to see this list updated if possible:

http://www.virtualdj.com/djs/

However, if you're worried because no famous DJ's are using VDJ and you think Serato or Traktor users will look down on you, then I think you're in the game for all the wrong reasons. It shouldnt matter who is using what software...all that matters is that you can use the software well and have the basic principles of DJing down. There are DJ's who are great and horrible with every piece of software. Having fame and being well known doesnt mean a thing.
 
dj wadup wrote :
The problem you guys at vdj are having is a difficult one to over come, despite the many more features you may have over serato or traktor.....vdj is just not consider professional in the dj world, because anyone can get a copy so easily go out with just a laptop and now your a dj... so the IMAGE you guys PORTRAIT is that vdj is for beginners, not saying professional don't use it, when a dj see someone using vdj first thing that comes to mind, this guy is a beginner until they listen of course.. so its the reputation that you guys have, i think rather than comparing to other software you guys should start working on your image. The truth of the matter is, after serato and traktor then come everything else, simple as that.


Bro I'm sorry but that is all bullshit.

Didn't they just catch Akoi with cracked software, yup and that dude is rich! I can get a crack of Ableton, Traktor, SeratoDJ and many others just as easily. As far as having superstar djs 7ing the software, you can pay a horse to use it. Pay people and they'll say or use whatever you want. As far as being a professional Dj, I consider myself one and have opened for many huge acts. Never had VDJ crash on me live, sure it has it's faults; but what software doesn't, sure there's things I'd love to see added but that's anything in life.

It's not the software it's the people who are the problem.......
 
I really love how just about every discussion on this forum twists round to timecode support and the image of VirtualDJ. It's getting a bit boring now.

As far as TC is concerned, VDJ8 should address those issues.

Regarding the image of VDJ, this has been discussed ad infinitum for years now .... and Atomix have not changed anything. If you owned a brand and product that was really popular, would you abandon that for a product with niche appeal for snobs tied down to limited hardware which would obviously sell less..... don't think so. Anyway if you're not happy with the image of VDJ, that's your prerogative.

No-one has ever criticized me for the software I use (apart from snobby fellow DJs of course)

Keith
 
visionz5 wrote :
It would be kind of cool to see this list updated if possible:

http://www.virtualdj.com/djs/

However, if you're worried because no famous DJ's are using VDJ and you think Serato or Traktor users will look down on you, then I think you're in the game for all the wrong reasons. It shouldnt matter who is using what software...all that matters is that you can use the software well and have the basic principles of DJing down. There are DJ's who are great and horrible with every piece of software. Having fame and being well known doesnt mean a thing.


Any "famous" Dj (that can be subjetive) use one or other sofware because the brand behind the software pay for it, is business and everyone wants to be "like" that dj, so if his favorite dj use a hat with a cairn on it, definitly they will use the same hat.


(excuse my english, i'm spanish speaker)
 
A bit like the HTC design ambassador Alicia Keys tweeting about the HTC one from her iphone. LOL.
 
needed to re write see below
 
dj-in-norway wrote :
xcakid wrote :
Well, since I went back to turntables a little over a year ago and buying the DDJ-SX beginning of this year, I have been using Serato at all my gigs. Only time I use VDJ is during my VDJ Radio Broadcast and when I get gigs that requires me to do videos.
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No offence, but first of all your radio sets are average, if you want some honesty.
Your mixing is far from any DMC master, and scratching is definitively not something I've heard you master ever.
But please do post a DVS skill video of you showing that VDJ is not capable of matching your needs ..
And all your promo sets on soundcloud for your as a dj feature no such thing as even a baby scratch.
Even off beat, and off structure, your 80's set being a good example on Soundcloud.

In addition by own statement, you have bought the DDJ-SX to use with Serato..
Where does the timecode and DVS needs come in to that? its a MIDI controller.

And clearly on FB and elsewhere this is what you are using, midi controllers.. .
https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/1006016_654175467945990_1673026354_n.jpg
https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/380444_329036137126593_1907727883_n.jpg


Have never seen you or heard you use timecode, or heard you mix anything close to having the need for it.
And are you even remotely close to an authority on the topic? Something I doubt, to be honest.
It seems to be re-circulation of old myths and hype for the sake of trolling, and putting down...

Cant help but think you are most of all just trolling. You are posting the same stuff over and over.. . and over and over..
But thats nothing new from Serato fan-boys...



No worries man, I never take offense from any criticism another DJ gives. DJing is part of the entertainment industry, you gotta have thick skin, if one gives it, one should be able to take it. I just take it and learn from it what I can :D
I never claimed to be a DMC champ or the best and greatest DJ out there. I've always viewed my skills as average, if nothing else a seasoned beginner. I am better than some, worse than others. So be it, I try to work the basics (sometimes it doesn't work for me though hahaha) and not get too fancy. I'm surprised you did not say boring, cause I have definitely be told my mixes can be boring at time. :D

And yes I do use controllers on ALL my mobile gigs and even some of my bar gigs. But if you look at my FB, most of my club gigs I use my DNS3700 - which I started having a problem with VDJ when I upgraded to 7.2. If you recall, I have had conversations with you on it VDJRadio Chat. We were gonna set up a time to work on it and possibly remote in on my laptop. But I got busy and ended up selling it to offset the cost of buying my TT's - but admittedly I don't think I have any posted of my TT's though. The problem I have with VDJ and timecodes is not scratching, not even latency, it with it dropping off the timecode signal. I have tried Traktors CV and Serato CV. I have tried an Audio 4 soundcard, my Denon DNX1600's soundcard, as well as an SL2. New needles, even tried different brand (Shure and Stantons) All have dropped the signal to where the CV would not control the software. Have tried advance config and well as just the simple config. If I recall correctly, there should be a post of mine asking for config help in the tech forum.

DVS expert, well no, I'm not. What I do know, is what works for me at this point. I plug my turntables in to VDJ and I sporadically lose signal to the point where I am not comfortable in playing out with it, I plug it into SSL and it works with having to do little to no config set up.

I use turntables not cause I fancy myself as a DMC champ or even aspire to be one. I use it cause of nostalgia I guess. I learned on turntables, I like the feel of mixing on them.
 
dj wadup wrote :
The problem you guys at vdj are having is a difficult one to over come, despite the many more features you may have over serato or traktor.....vdj is just not consider professional in the dj world, because anyone can get a copy so easily go out with just a laptop and now your a dj... so the IMAGE you guys PORTRAIT is that vdj is for beginners, not saying professional don't use it, when a dj see someone using vdj first thing that comes to mind, this guy is a beginner until they listen of course.. so its the reputation that you guys have, i think rather than comparing to other software you guys should start working on your image. The truth of the matter is, after serato and traktor then come everything else, simple as that.


I love how the Serato lovers are here in our forums bashing our product. IMHO VDJ out performs Serato for the venues I have residency at. In fact all FOUR of us at one venue use Virtual DJ Pro. It was the venues choice and when we interview and audition (on the RARE occasion it does happen) we have had HARD CORE Serato users say how much they ENJOY using VDJ. Since we work in a "Gentlemens Club" all we need to do is pop our drives in and away we go. In Fact the EDM crew that comes in has recently SWITCHED from serato to VDJ.

As for your statement as to when a DJ sees someone using VDJ that they must be a beginner...if its me and I see a DJ using VDJ I say welcome to the family and topic turns into upgrades what effects samples gear ectera. If they are running serato or traktor I wait for them to get a break or end of night and we go talk about what they use and I use and compare notes. NOT ONCE have they said oh you must be a beginner... I have been in the industry for over thirty years .... worked some of the biggest clubs in Philly and New York from the 80s thru 2000. have toured the nation and wouldn't classify myself as Skrillex or Deadmau5 or even Fatman Scoop but I hold my own my blends are tight, I can read a crowd with the best of them and I am LIVE that's why I work 53 weekends out of the year. Its not the software its the DJ


sorry for the rant .... we now return you to your regularly scheduled forum !!
 
xcakid wrote :

The problem I have with VDJ and timecodes is not scratching, not even latency, it with it dropping off the timecode signal... I sporadically lose signal ...



Fair enough.

Having a problem with signal, sounds like a plausible error.. And I'd love to take a look at the signal and try fix that for you should you want
Do make sure you have 100% signal though, and if playing in extreme loud environment, vibrations from the turnbable (bass sound etc) can ruing the timecode signal. (Can PM me if you still use timecode, since this isnt really a vdj timecode thread.)
 
waltworek wrote :

As for your statement as to when a DJ sees someone using VDJ that they must be a beginner...if its me and I see a DJ using VDJ I say welcome to the family and topic turns into upgrades what effects samples gear ectera. If they are running serato or traktor I wait for them to get a break or end of night and we go talk about what they use and I use and compare notes. NOT ONCE have they said oh you must be a beginner... I have been in the industry for over thirty years .... . Its not the software its the DJ


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