DayneA
Hey Guys, just after a little advice here, done my first real gig this weekend at a house party of 30-40 people (got to start somewhere don't hate) with a little problem.
I couldn't hear my cued tracks clearly in my headphones (Pioneer HDJ500), I had 2x Behringer B208D 200W set up with volume at around 45%.
Mixer; DJM350 with both channel gains at 35% (ish) and master at 80%, LEDS shown at green lovely sound with no red warning or trips going on.
what was happening was when i'd load up a track and loop it up and beatmatch, while attempting to do this i couldn't hear clearly from the headphones, it just seemed like screaming music through my ears, i had my headphone volume at around 90% so i could hear it over my speakers but it was just too messy to listen to and consentrate.
My question is this, was it that i had my master/gains too high and that was effecting pure voulume through my headphones or is it that maybe the HDJ500 arent really suitable for loud enviroments and i could do with upgrading headphones?
(Speakers were around 9ft away facing away from me)
Thanks for any replies in advance
I couldn't hear my cued tracks clearly in my headphones (Pioneer HDJ500), I had 2x Behringer B208D 200W set up with volume at around 45%.
Mixer; DJM350 with both channel gains at 35% (ish) and master at 80%, LEDS shown at green lovely sound with no red warning or trips going on.
what was happening was when i'd load up a track and loop it up and beatmatch, while attempting to do this i couldn't hear clearly from the headphones, it just seemed like screaming music through my ears, i had my headphone volume at around 90% so i could hear it over my speakers but it was just too messy to listen to and consentrate.
My question is this, was it that i had my master/gains too high and that was effecting pure voulume through my headphones or is it that maybe the HDJ500 arent really suitable for loud enviroments and i could do with upgrading headphones?
(Speakers were around 9ft away facing away from me)
Thanks for any replies in advance
Inviato Fri 27 Dec 13 @ 9:14 pm
Tear Em 'Up
Master volume and gain are two different things. If you're using the gains to give yourself more volume, you're doing it wrong. What kind of headphone are you using? What is your soundcard/controller?
Inviato Fri 27 Dec 13 @ 9:25 pm
Feliciano21
did you have the headphone in split cue mode or both on at the same time? I use mine in split mode more often than not.
Inviato Fri 27 Dec 13 @ 9:25 pm
Dazmax
This can be a big issue especially when you are close to the main speakers. Too much noise round you means you end up maxing the headphone volume to try to get round it. Not good for your hearing and won't do your headphones any good either . It is most often the low end Bass that gets wiped out and in many cases that is just what you are listening for.
Possible answers. Always try to work from a reasonable distance behind and away from the main speakers.
Avoid headphones with a vented or open back design.
Go for Headphones which fully cover your ears rather than the ones that just sit on top you can always lift one headphone cup while using the sound from the main speakers to beat match. With split Cue you don't need to hear the mains and once you get used to using it you don't need to uncover your ears at all.
The way your ears try to deal with loud sound levels is that after a short time they will temporarily attenuate the sounds you hear. This is a kind of self protection. If you have this happen the first thing that most do is reach for the level control and turn it up. Don't!!!! It's a circle that usually ends in permanent damage so be careful. Once it's gone it's gone!!! Between cues I got used to turning the HP vol down but kept them on. It gives your ears a break and helps avoid hearing loss. Some might think that it's not "cool"! Saying WHAT ? Every time someone try's to talk to you is not too cool either ;-)
Daz
Possible answers. Always try to work from a reasonable distance behind and away from the main speakers.
Avoid headphones with a vented or open back design.
Go for Headphones which fully cover your ears rather than the ones that just sit on top you can always lift one headphone cup while using the sound from the main speakers to beat match. With split Cue you don't need to hear the mains and once you get used to using it you don't need to uncover your ears at all.
The way your ears try to deal with loud sound levels is that after a short time they will temporarily attenuate the sounds you hear. This is a kind of self protection. If you have this happen the first thing that most do is reach for the level control and turn it up. Don't!!!! It's a circle that usually ends in permanent damage so be careful. Once it's gone it's gone!!! Between cues I got used to turning the HP vol down but kept them on. It gives your ears a break and helps avoid hearing loss. Some might think that it's not "cool"! Saying WHAT ? Every time someone try's to talk to you is not too cool either ;-)
Daz
Inviato Sat 28 Dec 13 @ 6:52 am
Blaqboi
Hello DJers
VERY NEW at this, with maybe 2-3 months in lol. My problem is this I am using the Numark Mixtrack II ( not the pro II ) I have my USB plugged in and a headphones on a Hosa Technology breakout cable 3.5 mm
TRS to a DUAL 3.5 mm TSF ( red and black ). Basically my pre-cueing isn't splitting I hear my cued tracks on the main speaker and not in my headphones. Curious if I may need to buy a different splitter or some other kind of module.
P.s. It works perfectly fine on my edjing app on my iPad.
VERY NEW at this, with maybe 2-3 months in lol. My problem is this I am using the Numark Mixtrack II ( not the pro II ) I have my USB plugged in and a headphones on a Hosa Technology breakout cable 3.5 mm
TRS to a DUAL 3.5 mm TSF ( red and black ). Basically my pre-cueing isn't splitting I hear my cued tracks on the main speaker and not in my headphones. Curious if I may need to buy a different splitter or some other kind of module.
P.s. It works perfectly fine on my edjing app on my iPad.
Inviato Sat 28 Dec 13 @ 7:26 am
DayneA
If you had reas properly my headphones are HDJ500 and i wasn't using them for more volume so i have no idea what your talking about dude, read the post ^^
and i had both channels on at the same time, knob turned to mixer + channel buttons both selected together.
and i had both channels on at the same time, knob turned to mixer + channel buttons both selected together.
Inviato Sat 28 Dec 13 @ 7:33 am
groovindj
Blaqboi wrote :
VERY NEW at this
I can tell.
What you've just done is called thread hijacking - taking over someone elses post with your own question.
Inviato Sat 28 Dec 13 @ 7:57 am
Dazmax
DayneA You will have to forgive me if I misunderstood your post. I read having to have your headphones at 90% and screaming music as a suggestion that you were having to run your headphones very loud to hear over the sound from your speakers. The Title of your post was "Headphones Vs Speakers" after all.
If that is not what you meant then perhaps an alternate explanation of your issue might help.
I did read your post and made suggestions based on that but I also make suggestions knowing that others might read this string and have a similar issue for other reasons.
With Mixed Cue only select the Cue Channel not the playing Channel and then balance the level between Cue and Master with the mix control. It's personal preference wether you go for full master and work your way back or full Cue and rotate towards Master.
Daz
If that is not what you meant then perhaps an alternate explanation of your issue might help.
I did read your post and made suggestions based on that but I also make suggestions knowing that others might read this string and have a similar issue for other reasons.
With Mixed Cue only select the Cue Channel not the playing Channel and then balance the level between Cue and Master with the mix control. It's personal preference wether you go for full master and work your way back or full Cue and rotate towards Master.
Daz
Inviato Sat 28 Dec 13 @ 8:32 am
dj latin lou
I set mine to CUE and listen to the channel I want to mix in on the headphones in one ear and listen to the music going out of the speakers with the other. Some DJs listen to one channel in one ear and the master in the other in the headphones.
Inviato Sat 28 Dec 13 @ 8:33 am
A Man and His Music
Are you saying that you could hear the master output in your headphones? I see a Mixtrax Pro in your profile, were you using that? What were your soundcard configurations? Is it possible that your headphone was in split mode? Since you are using a mixer, is it possible that your cross fader on the Mixtrax Pro was in the wrong position?
Inviato Sat 28 Dec 13 @ 7:04 pm
jboerlage
DayneA wrote :
what was happening was when i'd load up a track and loop it up and beatmatch, while attempting to do this i couldn't hear clearly from the headphones, it just seemed like screaming music through my ears, i had my headphone volume at around 90% so i could hear it over my speakers but it was just too messy to listen to and consentrate.
Thanks for any replies in advance
what was happening was when i'd load up a track and loop it up and beatmatch, while attempting to do this i couldn't hear clearly from the headphones, it just seemed like screaming music through my ears, i had my headphone volume at around 90% so i could hear it over my speakers but it was just too messy to listen to and consentrate.
Thanks for any replies in advance
Whenever possible get yourself a monitor speaker and stay away from the main speakers. If you use your mains to beat match you'll be trying to do that on delayed reflected sound, all noisy and loud, you'll be cranking up your headphones to the max and eventually you can find a new hobby since your half deaf ears cant enjoy the music anymore.
Inviato Sun 29 Dec 13 @ 2:39 am
A Man and His Music
In a small house party, with 30 to 40 people, the mains were like monitors. They were probably in the same room. I'm not sure I understand the issue fully. Who has their headphones that loud? My monitors are kicking, I don't need my headphones that loud. Maybe the headphones were over powered and distorting.
Inviato Sun 29 Dec 13 @ 4:18 am
Dazmax
AMAHM The OR post did mention using a Pioneer DJM350 but not sure what it was being fead with.
Also mentioned that both Cue Channels were selected at the same time and had the Cue/Mix control all the way over to Master.
I suspect his issue is that listening to a mix of Chan 1 + Chan 2 and or Main depending on the position the Cue Mix control was in would just give a mash of everything together in the headphones so realy hard to Cue or Beatmatch.
The answer then assuming he was feeding the Pioneer with two sources would be to only select the Cue to the Chan you are Cueing up and not both at the same time. Then Balance the amount of main/master with the Cue Mix Control.
Daz
Also mentioned that both Cue Channels were selected at the same time and had the Cue/Mix control all the way over to Master.
I suspect his issue is that listening to a mix of Chan 1 + Chan 2 and or Main depending on the position the Cue Mix control was in would just give a mash of everything together in the headphones so realy hard to Cue or Beatmatch.
The answer then assuming he was feeding the Pioneer with two sources would be to only select the Cue to the Chan you are Cueing up and not both at the same time. Then Balance the amount of main/master with the Cue Mix Control.
Daz
Inviato Sun 29 Dec 13 @ 10:02 am
DayneA
Hey guys thanks for the replies i will try what you recommend with the CH1 only + turn my mixer knob to the right angle and see if i can hear better with that.
Yes the speakers were in the same room so they was pretty loud to be fair, and as for the mixtrack, no, i stated the DJM350,i have CDJs now which was the sound cards i was using (need to update profile).
But i will give it a go and let you guys know how i get on, i've got a NYE party to do so im trying to figure it out asap, also the headphones might of distort your right, ill test in the morning.
Yes the speakers were in the same room so they was pretty loud to be fair, and as for the mixtrack, no, i stated the DJM350,i have CDJs now which was the sound cards i was using (need to update profile).
But i will give it a go and let you guys know how i get on, i've got a NYE party to do so im trying to figure it out asap, also the headphones might of distort your right, ill test in the morning.
Inviato Sun 29 Dec 13 @ 9:20 pm
Dazmax
Just to be 100% clear (I am sure you get this) just in case.
If Deck 1 Chan 1 is playing out and you are cueing or mixing in from Deck 2 Chan 2 then only select the Chan 2 Cue button and adjust the Cue/master knob to mix in the amount of signal you need to here from the master out so you can hear the mix clearly. Once you have a balance between the Cue signal and the Master you prob won't need to adjust this again for the rest of the night. Then when you have completed your mix onto Deck 2 chan 2. De select the Chan 2 Cue button and select Chan 1 ready for Cueing your next track. Back and forth between decks/channels as you need to.
VDJ has a feature that automatically swaps the Cue headphone signal for you but this wont help with the Pioneer. It might have been doing the work for you when you used the Mixtrack but you did not notice :-)
Daz
If Deck 1 Chan 1 is playing out and you are cueing or mixing in from Deck 2 Chan 2 then only select the Chan 2 Cue button and adjust the Cue/master knob to mix in the amount of signal you need to here from the master out so you can hear the mix clearly. Once you have a balance between the Cue signal and the Master you prob won't need to adjust this again for the rest of the night. Then when you have completed your mix onto Deck 2 chan 2. De select the Chan 2 Cue button and select Chan 1 ready for Cueing your next track. Back and forth between decks/channels as you need to.
VDJ has a feature that automatically swaps the Cue headphone signal for you but this wont help with the Pioneer. It might have been doing the work for you when you used the Mixtrack but you did not notice :-)
Daz
Inviato Mon 30 Dec 13 @ 8:11 am
DayneA
Dazmax wrote :
Just to be 100% clear (I am sure you get this) just in case.
If Deck 1 Chan 1 is playing out and you are cueing or mixing in from Deck 2 Chan 2 then only select the Chan 2 Cue button and adjust the Cue/master knob to mix in the amount of signal you need to here from the master out so you can hear the mix clearly. Once you have a balance between the Cue signal and the Master you prob won't need to adjust this again for the rest of the night. Then when you have completed your mix onto Deck 2 chan 2. De select the Chan 2 Cue button and select Chan 1 ready for Cueing your next track. Back and forth between decks/channels as you need to.
VDJ has a feature that automatically swaps the Cue headphone signal for you but this wont help with the Pioneer. It might have been doing the work for you when you used the Mixtrack but you did not notice :-)
Daz
If Deck 1 Chan 1 is playing out and you are cueing or mixing in from Deck 2 Chan 2 then only select the Chan 2 Cue button and adjust the Cue/master knob to mix in the amount of signal you need to here from the master out so you can hear the mix clearly. Once you have a balance between the Cue signal and the Master you prob won't need to adjust this again for the rest of the night. Then when you have completed your mix onto Deck 2 chan 2. De select the Chan 2 Cue button and select Chan 1 ready for Cueing your next track. Back and forth between decks/channels as you need to.
VDJ has a feature that automatically swaps the Cue headphone signal for you but this wont help with the Pioneer. It might have been doing the work for you when you used the Mixtrack but you did not notice :-)
Daz
You was 100% right Daz, thanks alot bro life safer!
Inviato Fri 03 Jan 14 @ 5:06 pm
Dj Sparko 83
Hey guys - I'm new to virtual DJ, in fact only received it for christmas '13' so very much a novice dj. I'm having a minor but very annoying problem with my final set up. It's regarding not being able to hear the track in my headphones that I am cue-ing on deck 2 ready to be mixed into deck 1. The only way i can hear both tracks together in my headphones if both decks are fully mixed in together, which is pointless because at that stage both tracks are going out live to the audience and it's too late.
My set up is as follow's;
1. Macbook pro
2. Virtual DJ pro
3. Numark DJi0 flexible usb dj audio interface
4. Pioneer DJM - 600 mixer
5. Yoga cd 54 headphones
When I go to config. on Virtual dj pro and my selection for sound output is;-
Inputs - none
Outputs - single outputs
Sound card - Numark USB audio card
Also on my mixer, I have fixed headphone settings to mono split - and the knob to 'mixing'
I thought my Numark DJiO was one of the best sound cards/interface units on the market that could allow you to hear both tracks mixing together in your headphones?
Do I maybe need to buy another sound card?
Any help you could offer a lost dj I would be forever grateful. I just want to get out there and perform but this issue is currently stopping me from doing so.
Thanks
My set up is as follow's;
1. Macbook pro
2. Virtual DJ pro
3. Numark DJi0 flexible usb dj audio interface
4. Pioneer DJM - 600 mixer
5. Yoga cd 54 headphones
When I go to config. on Virtual dj pro and my selection for sound output is;-
Inputs - none
Outputs - single outputs
Sound card - Numark USB audio card
Also on my mixer, I have fixed headphone settings to mono split - and the knob to 'mixing'
I thought my Numark DJiO was one of the best sound cards/interface units on the market that could allow you to hear both tracks mixing together in your headphones?
Do I maybe need to buy another sound card?
Any help you could offer a lost dj I would be forever grateful. I just want to get out there and perform but this issue is currently stopping me from doing so.
Thanks
Inviato Sat 04 Jan 14 @ 1:05 pm
groovindj
Dj Sparko 83 wrote :
Outputs - single outputs
There's your problem. If you select "single output" then the main output of VDJ will be sent to your audio interface/mixer.
Look here http://www.virtualdj.com/wiki/DJIO.html <- this setting is designed for you to use with the headphones plugged into the DJIO.
If you want to use your mixer for cueing, then you need to configure VDJ to "external mixer" and use both sets of RCA outputs on the DJIO - each pair to a different input of your mixer, like this guy http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q1yRL4gBFfY
Inviato Sat 04 Jan 14 @ 1:23 pm
Dj Sparko 83
Thanks a lot man! This has helped me complete my install and made me a very happy guy. Best of luck to you.
Inviato Tue 07 Jan 14 @ 3:18 pm