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Topic: Video SL - Dispite early bugs it is impressive

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Yes it is resource heavy, not many formats of video available, tons of bugs but I have to admit guys there is allot of potential with this...



I love the fact that you can asign 2 indivual video effects per channel and there transitions are allot more thought out. All in all there is much better architecture to allow more live creativity and interact the sound and audio as one entity despite being limited to only the TTM so far (I say so far as it will happen with midi intergration on other mixers and the SL-1 but knowing rane that will be a long ass wait), thats one thing I cant fault Atomix on.

I'm not planning on making a switch but there is food for thought there and if Anyone is interested in buying 2 month old DJM800 and SL-1 one box for a grand I would be tempted to sell.
 
Inviato Mon 17 Dec 07 @ 10:17 am
Well serato might be slow in development but i can't say Atomix is any better. We are still waiting on a working version of VDJ for the Mac and Serato does have atomix beat in that department.
 
I must say i am also impressed with the features of video mixing in serato. Sserato might not have all the functionality of VDJ but the functions it has are done well. I am going to be testing Serato video SL in the upcoming weeks so I will let you know my impressions. My biggest concern is its based around Quicktime so the supports for video containers and codecs is limited. This is also why its such a resource hog.
 
Comparing VDJ to another company like SL is like comparing cellphone companies. Each company has it's on own points. While Many will like the iphone it may not suite others because it has too many features or it has NO stability for me ( coverage ). I think every company would like to be ahead of the curve but it's up to the individual to make a choice as to which one will work best for him. I had several programs before VDJ but like one in particalar. The others were great programs as many are still using them religiously. One program didnt work for me due to fact that I didn't care for the navigation of it. Another one I really injoyed the look of it skin and it had just enough of what I wanted out of it. VDJ came along for and I like the simplicity of navigation and how easy it was to make it to my style. I can go on and on about my personal comparisons. But the bottom line is the support I have hear. I still try to go on other forums and i'm dissapointed about the lack of. Sure everyone has there particular liking of the programs but people are going to gravitate to whats professional and easy to learn backed by cost and support. If a company can nail majority of the above... wins battle.

I can tell you now that if SL cost me more in the long run to get started with program and matching equipent. I will not even look at it. The crazy part is that it wouldn't even change my DJ style or decrease my value if I don't use it..

I'm sure the developer are keeping a close eye on all competitors but as long as their goal is to make a product that is suitable for the mass and have it stable for the technology being required. They will always be one of the leaders. If VDJ is making the DJ happy now and he finds something else along the way- That's the price of business. How many cars will one person owns in thier lifetime... every one of them will get you to the correct location and some have more features but they all will do the same job. You always choose based on cost and what feels right.
 
I'm in a pickle with all this but I am sticking to my guns for the time being with VDJ (for video) as it does nearly all I require and is the more stable solution. As for the quicktime issue. I do really like quicktime .mov as a standard for video (used to be one of those people who hated quicktime on a PC which is just silly really since I'm doing nearly all video stuff now and quicktime has a cross platform codec for any situation e.g. PNG great for lossless and is compressed, JPEG for vjing with only interframe compression and h264 which is the best motion codec so far and standardizes mpg alot better, faster encodes and decodes aswell so is great to use as a performance + a whole whost of others that run on both OSX and Windows platforms).

I admit to switching to serato for my dj gigs just because I play out with macbook and its sooo ABC. Just load up each track 3 seconds on the visual beat match thing at the top and away you go.

For my video gigs I got my herc mkii (which is a damm ugly bit of kit and poorly built+I hate having to use another power adapter to clear some "not all!!" noise form that unit) into VDJ on macbook and ussually don't have any problems...

I think it will end up coming down to the switch to serato though because of the architecture in the program where you can affect changes in audio and video with single motions....
 
I think it's a fine program, but the fact that it takes a $1400 mixer to work makes it irrelevant in my opinion. I've heard that Rane did this to make clubs buy them - but I don't know any club that wants to buy an expensive 2-channel mixer. Even if the clubs bought them, the DJ's still need to practice at home, so I don't think that strategy is sound.

If they did a plugin that worked without the crazy mixer, they could be a contender. Until then, they are just smokin crack.
 
besides some minor bugs, the serato video plugin is working really good on my laptop.
i'd like to see some 3d efx transitions tho.
 

Is this a Serato forum or a VirtualDJ forum.....Ummmmmm I can't decide??????

Jimmy b

 
socross wrote :
If they did a plugin that worked without the crazy mixer, they could be a contender. Until then, they are just smokin crack.


No! They aren’t into drugs. However, they are definitely into pimpin’ their video plugin to SL users.

OO
 
Double O wrote :
socross wrote :
If they did a plugin that worked without the crazy mixer, they could be a contender. Until then, they are just smokin crack.


No! They aren’t into drugs. However, they are definitely into pimpin’ their video plugin to SL users.

OO



So, does that make SL users Ho's?

I'm glad they are doing so well, but way too late to the party. You know how you get to the party late, and all the food is gone? I booked my New Years video party on the second of Jan 07 for excellent money. What was that about a bird in the hand....
 
D-Twizzle wrote :

i'd like to see some 3d efx transitions tho.

Better to give me your ideas for VirtualDJ ;-)

Anyway some new video transitions will come soon for Christmas.
 
Good to hear Cel! I look forward to seeing them.
 
In my opinion the one thing that VDJ has been lacking is the more simplistic transitions that you get with most video apps

Additive
Subtractive
Multiply
Difference
Difference Squared
Mask
e.t.c.

If there were them transitions in there would be far more scope for creativity and live performance. I only ever use the scratch transition really. I would also love to see a decent chroma, luma and alpha keyer in there aswell just because the alpha key plugin really doesnt hold itself well.

And last but not least my only other big peeve with VDJ is that you cant switch off the damm sub frame engine. I know its a nice thing to have but it really does impede certain things i.e. any chroma stuff i may want to do also when recording to somthing like fraps I would rather not have this option + wouldn't a pc or mac perform better without it? by my reconning there seems to 3 additional frames for every mainframe...
 
Ian Knowles wrote :
In my opinion the one thing that VDJ has been lacking is the more simplistic transitions that you get with most video apps

Additive
Subtractive
Multiply
Difference
Difference Squared
Mask
e.t.c.

If there were them transitions in there would be far more scope for creativity and live performance. I only ever use the scratch transition really. I would also love to see a decent chroma, luma and alpha keyer in there aswell just because the alpha key plugin really doesnt hold itself well.

I will see what I can do for that ;-)
 
Nice to know someone will work on these, may be prudent or even aswell to do scratch versions. i.e extreme left and right on crossfader has video B or A on and anywhere in the middle have both video 100% overlayed with whatever formulae AND, OR, XOR, 1/(+/-), A2-B2 e.t.c. think there the formulae to do those.

I would attempt to create them myself but I havn't touched C++ since borland and delphi days back on 98 and its a real nighmare compiling anything as the libararies in the right place + I cant get hold of any example scripts. Although I have a real version of VDJ. I won it in the intel battle comp and the installed it and never sent me the blinkin registry key...
 
A Man and His Music wrote :
Double O wrote :
socross wrote :
If they did a plugin that worked without the crazy mixer, they could be a contender. Until then, they are just smokin crack.


No! They aren’t into drugs. However, they are definitely into pimpin’ their video plugin to SL users.

OO



So, does that make SL users Ho's?


No.... However, it makes a SL user that pays for the plugin a john For those who don't know American slang
a john is someone that pays for a Ho.

OO
 
Serato has plans to make it compatible with any Midi mixer just not in the first release.
 
True. And remember this IS NOT the official release of SL Video. Its still in its infancy, it has a watermark, only supports certain container types, and can't go full screen...amongst other things.
 
You can't put video from a live camera in Serato.

Is Virtual DJ’s vinyl compatible with the TTM57 mixer yet?

Is VDJ working on it?
 


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