Καλησπερα απο την Παρο!θελω να κανω καποιες βασικες ερωτησεις εξοπλισμου
θελω τον χειμωνα να οργανωθω,μαζευω χρηματα τωρα και να δω τι χρειαζομαι για το virtual και που να τα ξοδεψω.
1)))-χρειαζομαι εξωτερικη καρτα ηχου,ειδα πως μια παρα πολυ καλη ειναι ι numark virtual vinyl, αυτη ειναι μια απλη καρτα ηχου που ουσιαστικα μπορω να τη συνδεσω με μικτη και να κανω τη δουλεια μου,τι αλλη χρηση εχει και ειναι τοσο ακριβη?
2)))τι διαφορα εχει ενας rackable controller apo ενα all in one controller?οπως το total control?αυτα εχουν ενσωματομενη καρτα ηχου?δηλαδη αγοραζοντας ενα απο αυτα αποφευγουμε το πρωτο βημα.
3)))τα timecodes ειναι τα πικ απ μαζι με τους δισκους τα οποια συνδεονται με usb?ayta stoixizoun mono 19E to ena?αυτα δουλευουν και με τα rackable kai me ta all in one controllers?ουσιαστικα η χρηση τους ειναι να ελεγχεις τον καθε δισκο ξεχωριστα και να κανεις σκρατσαρισματα χωρις το ποντικι,αυτα γινονται και στa all in one?
ποιοι ειναι κατα τη γνωμη σας οι καλυτεροι συνδιασμοι για ενα υπερπληρες συστημα?σε apple mcbook teleytaias genias
θελω τον χειμωνα να οργανωθω,μαζευω χρηματα τωρα και να δω τι χρειαζομαι για το virtual και που να τα ξοδεψω.
1)))-χρειαζομαι εξωτερικη καρτα ηχου,ειδα πως μια παρα πολυ καλη ειναι ι numark virtual vinyl, αυτη ειναι μια απλη καρτα ηχου που ουσιαστικα μπορω να τη συνδεσω με μικτη και να κανω τη δουλεια μου,τι αλλη χρηση εχει και ειναι τοσο ακριβη?
2)))τι διαφορα εχει ενας rackable controller apo ενα all in one controller?οπως το total control?αυτα εχουν ενσωματομενη καρτα ηχου?δηλαδη αγοραζοντας ενα απο αυτα αποφευγουμε το πρωτο βημα.
3)))τα timecodes ειναι τα πικ απ μαζι με τους δισκους τα οποια συνδεονται με usb?ayta stoixizoun mono 19E to ena?αυτα δουλευουν και με τα rackable kai me ta all in one controllers?ουσιαστικα η χρηση τους ειναι να ελεγχεις τον καθε δισκο ξεχωριστα και να κανεις σκρατσαρισματα χωρις το ποντικι,αυτα γινονται και στa all in one?
ποιοι ειναι κατα τη γνωμη σας οι καλυτεροι συνδιασμοι για ενα υπερπληρες συστημα?σε apple mcbook teleytaias genias
Inviato Tue 01 Jul 08 @ 5:57 am
A re Niko mas exeis kanei loutsa apo tis vouties. Stin agapimeni mou Paro ...aaaaxxx ..Ston Faragga na pas gia mpanio.
H symbouli pou dinw synithws einai makria apo all in one controllers. Pare karta ixou opoia theleis analoga me to budget, kai antistoixa ena controller xwris karta ixou (an exei enswmatwmeni min tin xrisimopoiseis).
Rackmount i oxi?. Koita paizei rollo poso foritos kai elafrys thes na eisai. Koita to blog mou kai tin balitsa mou. Einai arketa baria gia mobile alla einai to apolyto ergaleio. Mporeis me ena laptop, mia karta ixou kai ena Numark Total Control as poume na eisai pio portable. Rikse mia matia stin agora tha breis pollous antistoixous (RMX, Vestax VCI klp)
An theleis na paizeis me timecodes tote to pragma allazei. Katarxin ta timecodes pou kanoun 19euro einai diskoi (vinylia) me kwdika anti gia tragoudia, to vazeis sta pikap (kai ta antistoixa cd stis cdiers) kai exeis ton elegxo apo auta san na epaizes me vinylia i cd antistoixa.
Symperasma prepei prwta na apofasiseis ti theleis na kaneis, ton tropo pou douleueis (club, mobile, home klp), kai meta na pas pros auti tin kateythinsi akolouthwntas omws auto pou sou eipa, makrya apo all in one controllers. Tha sou kostisei pio akriba alla tha ksemplekseis. Koita mia matia sta forums gia na deis ti problimata antimetwpizoun oi xristes tous. Exeis dei kana forum me problimata stin DMC2? Mpaaa...pou tetoia tyxi.
Tha sou proteina kai tin DENON 4500 gia ennalaktiki.
Ante kales bouties ... 38 kai simera emeis ..xexwexexexe
H symbouli pou dinw synithws einai makria apo all in one controllers. Pare karta ixou opoia theleis analoga me to budget, kai antistoixa ena controller xwris karta ixou (an exei enswmatwmeni min tin xrisimopoiseis).
Rackmount i oxi?. Koita paizei rollo poso foritos kai elafrys thes na eisai. Koita to blog mou kai tin balitsa mou. Einai arketa baria gia mobile alla einai to apolyto ergaleio. Mporeis me ena laptop, mia karta ixou kai ena Numark Total Control as poume na eisai pio portable. Rikse mia matia stin agora tha breis pollous antistoixous (RMX, Vestax VCI klp)
An theleis na paizeis me timecodes tote to pragma allazei. Katarxin ta timecodes pou kanoun 19euro einai diskoi (vinylia) me kwdika anti gia tragoudia, to vazeis sta pikap (kai ta antistoixa cd stis cdiers) kai exeis ton elegxo apo auta san na epaizes me vinylia i cd antistoixa.
Symperasma prepei prwta na apofasiseis ti theleis na kaneis, ton tropo pou douleueis (club, mobile, home klp), kai meta na pas pros auti tin kateythinsi akolouthwntas omws auto pou sou eipa, makrya apo all in one controllers. Tha sou kostisei pio akriba alla tha ksemplekseis. Koita mia matia sta forums gia na deis ti problimata antimetwpizoun oi xristes tous. Exeis dei kana forum me problimata stin DMC2? Mpaaa...pou tetoia tyxi.
Tha sou proteina kai tin DENON 4500 gia ennalaktiki.
Ante kales bouties ... 38 kai simera emeis ..xexwexexexe
Inviato Tue 01 Jul 08 @ 10:38 am
tha simfoniso kai ego me ton djdad sxetika me ta all-in-one ...
pistevo oti to meso mias kai mono usb pou sindeetai to mixanima me to pc kai apo ekei elenxeis kai to programa meso midi kai o ipologisteis epikoinonei me tin ensomatomeni karta ixou... polles fores katareoun ta panta :P
emena prosopika polles fores mou exei kolisei to programa.. pagonei kai auto den to thes otan paizeis epagelmatika ;)
ta timecode aplos exoun ena sigekrimeno track me ixo pou ton anagnorizei to virtual kai kserei an pasa stigmi pou einai to tragoudi pou exeis fortosei sto programa....
ousiastika einai gia na douleveis eksoterika ta jogwheels tou programatos meso tou viniliou i to jogwheel tou cd player...
gia ta ipoloipa pali tha xriasteis mia midi consola oste na xeirizesai ta alla koumpia tou programatos...
ta time code einai kirios gia autous pou theloun na kanou scratch kirios ..oste na tous dinoun tin aisthisi opos tha itan me ena kanoniko vinilio...
tin ekdosi gia cd mporeis na tin katevaseis dorean apo edo mesa.. kai na tin grapseis se 2 cd oste na paizeis meso ton player sou...
opote i pas stin lisi pou leei o djdad ..
i pas se lisi consolas ola se ena mazi me enan dikanalo mikti kai ena cdplayer... etsi oste ean kolisei to programa na mporeis na giriseis se cdplayer (hardware) meso tou mikti mexrin na ksana na kaneis epanekinisi sto programa... (sinithos kolaei i othoni... alla i mousiki sinexizei na paizei kanonika... opote exeis perithorio na kaneis mia psefto allagi meso cd player ;) )
pistevo oti to meso mias kai mono usb pou sindeetai to mixanima me to pc kai apo ekei elenxeis kai to programa meso midi kai o ipologisteis epikoinonei me tin ensomatomeni karta ixou... polles fores katareoun ta panta :P
emena prosopika polles fores mou exei kolisei to programa.. pagonei kai auto den to thes otan paizeis epagelmatika ;)
ta timecode aplos exoun ena sigekrimeno track me ixo pou ton anagnorizei to virtual kai kserei an pasa stigmi pou einai to tragoudi pou exeis fortosei sto programa....
ousiastika einai gia na douleveis eksoterika ta jogwheels tou programatos meso tou viniliou i to jogwheel tou cd player...
gia ta ipoloipa pali tha xriasteis mia midi consola oste na xeirizesai ta alla koumpia tou programatos...
ta time code einai kirios gia autous pou theloun na kanou scratch kirios ..oste na tous dinoun tin aisthisi opos tha itan me ena kanoniko vinilio...
tin ekdosi gia cd mporeis na tin katevaseis dorean apo edo mesa.. kai na tin grapseis se 2 cd oste na paizeis meso ton player sou...
opote i pas stin lisi pou leei o djdad ..
i pas se lisi consolas ola se ena mazi me enan dikanalo mikti kai ena cdplayer... etsi oste ean kolisei to programa na mporeis na giriseis se cdplayer (hardware) meso tou mikti mexrin na ksana na kaneis epanekinisi sto programa... (sinithos kolaei i othoni... alla i mousiki sinexizei na paizei kanonika... opote exeis perithorio na kaneis mia psefto allagi meso cd player ;) )
Inviato Wed 02 Jul 08 @ 1:45 am
Eyxaristw poly gia tis apantiseis
Oso gia ta mpania paidia logo douleias exw kanei 1 mpanio mono!pio aspros apo esas eimai!
Erwtimata PART2
diladi mou lete makrya apo all in one controllers kai sas pistevw giati to mono pou den thelw einai kolimata otan paizw mousiki mou xe tyxei mia fora se magazi kontepsa na pathw anakopi.
Dj Dad egw dad den paizw stathera se magazi alla paizw se party se magazia kai fysika spiti mou gia practice,opote i foritotita paizei ena mikro rolo.
pantos esena mporei na einai ligo megali i valitsa sou,alla mia xara foriti einai,alitheia eksigise mou ligo ti exeis mesa kai me ti syndesmologia?diladi apo oli ayti ti valtsa ti vgainei?
ena vysma pou to syndeeis ston mikti tou magaziou?kai oi mprizes?
twra alles apories
sto rackable pio thewrite kalytero to dmc i to dac 3?ta rackable pws xrhsimopoiountai ta koympia tous exoun amesi antapokrisi me ta koumpia tou virtual?
diladi xrhsimopoieeis to pontiki mono gia na epilegeis kommatia?an kinountai ta jog mazi me ta jog toy virtual tote den mporeis na kaneis ti douleia pou kanoun kai ta timecode vinyls?
ara egw vasika thelw efoson apogygw ta all in one,mia kali karta ixou,ena rackable,kai mia konsola gia tis alles efarmoges ou virtual?opws efe ktl?
Oso gia ta mpania paidia logo douleias exw kanei 1 mpanio mono!pio aspros apo esas eimai!
Erwtimata PART2
diladi mou lete makrya apo all in one controllers kai sas pistevw giati to mono pou den thelw einai kolimata otan paizw mousiki mou xe tyxei mia fora se magazi kontepsa na pathw anakopi.
Dj Dad egw dad den paizw stathera se magazi alla paizw se party se magazia kai fysika spiti mou gia practice,opote i foritotita paizei ena mikro rolo.
pantos esena mporei na einai ligo megali i valitsa sou,alla mia xara foriti einai,alitheia eksigise mou ligo ti exeis mesa kai me ti syndesmologia?diladi apo oli ayti ti valtsa ti vgainei?
ena vysma pou to syndeeis ston mikti tou magaziou?kai oi mprizes?
twra alles apories
sto rackable pio thewrite kalytero to dmc i to dac 3?ta rackable pws xrhsimopoiountai ta koympia tous exoun amesi antapokrisi me ta koumpia tou virtual?
diladi xrhsimopoieeis to pontiki mono gia na epilegeis kommatia?an kinountai ta jog mazi me ta jog toy virtual tote den mporeis na kaneis ti douleia pou kanoun kai ta timecode vinyls?
ara egw vasika thelw efoson apogygw ta all in one,mia kali karta ixou,ena rackable,kai mia konsola gia tis alles efarmoges ou virtual?opws efe ktl?
Inviato Wed 02 Jul 08 @ 11:29 am
Loipon katarxin kane mpania oso mporeis, giati summer DJ kai aspros den leei..xexe
H baltsa exei ena analogiko mikti (trikanalo), tin konsola DMC2 kai to laptop. Auta fainontai. Apo katw yparxei mia Maya 44USB karta ixou (poly aksiopisti kai kalos ixos 100 euro only), enas HD USB 1Tb (ola mesa) kai ena polymprizo pou sundeontai ola epanw. Apo kalwdia bebaia allo tipota. H balitsa dld sto mesa meros tis einai tigka. Apo pisw vgazw eksodo ixou RCA kai XLR kai ypodoxi gia reuma me bysma san auto enos PC. Dld anoigeis kapaki syndeeis dyo kalwdia (reuma kai enisxyti) kai eisai etoimos. To baros tis to ypologizw peripou ta 30 kila.
An pas se rackmount katastasi, min pareis tipota allo apo dmc2 i denon 4500. Eidika i dmc2 einai apolyta plug n play kai se syndyasmo me ton mapper pou mporeis na breis sto site edw, mporeis na exeis ton pliri elegxo apo tin konsola, loops, effects, sampler, cues ta panta kai fysika ton browser. Den xreiazesai alli konsola gia alles leitourgies. An thes kapoia effect mporeis na ta exeis ston mikti an bebaia dialekseis kapoion pou exei (o dikos mou den exei)
H baltsa exei ena analogiko mikti (trikanalo), tin konsola DMC2 kai to laptop. Auta fainontai. Apo katw yparxei mia Maya 44USB karta ixou (poly aksiopisti kai kalos ixos 100 euro only), enas HD USB 1Tb (ola mesa) kai ena polymprizo pou sundeontai ola epanw. Apo kalwdia bebaia allo tipota. H balitsa dld sto mesa meros tis einai tigka. Apo pisw vgazw eksodo ixou RCA kai XLR kai ypodoxi gia reuma me bysma san auto enos PC. Dld anoigeis kapaki syndeeis dyo kalwdia (reuma kai enisxyti) kai eisai etoimos. To baros tis to ypologizw peripou ta 30 kila.
An pas se rackmount katastasi, min pareis tipota allo apo dmc2 i denon 4500. Eidika i dmc2 einai apolyta plug n play kai se syndyasmo me ton mapper pou mporeis na breis sto site edw, mporeis na exeis ton pliri elegxo apo tin konsola, loops, effects, sampler, cues ta panta kai fysika ton browser. Den xreiazesai alli konsola gia alles leitourgies. An thes kapoia effect mporeis na ta exeis ston mikti an bebaia dialekseis kapoion pou exei (o dikos mou den exei)
Inviato Wed 02 Jul 08 @ 12:08 pm
eimai aspros giati to kalokairi eimai xenodoxos!kai to xeimwna dj!s evxaristw poly gia tis plirofories dj dad,gia dmc tha paw me mia kali karta ixou(fantazomai den tha exei provlima me apple),apo septemvri arxizw tis agores!na se rwtisw apo pou ekanes tis agores sou?mesw internet i yparxei kai kapoio katastima stin athina?
Inviato Fri 04 Jul 08 @ 2:06 am
genika gia oti agoraseis thelei psaksimo. Tin karta ixou tin pira apo Nakas, tin balitsa apo djshop.gr kai ola ta ypoloipa apo Thomann.de
Inviato Fri 04 Jul 08 @ 2:22 am
etsi opws to ksekinises perimena na teleiwseis ti protasi sou:"kai ola ta ypoloipa ta pirame apo to jumbo!"apo to naka eixa parei kai egw palia karta ixou,eida kai to djshop kai eida oti exei psilo ta panta,kai kartes ixou den eida an exei kai dmc.apo septemvri paw gi agores!!
Inviato Sat 05 Jul 08 @ 5:53 am
Εγω θα σου ελεγα για total control της Numark , εξωτερική κάρτα ηχου πχ της Creative ( 40 euro) ; ή ακόμα ενα φλασάκι...(usb).. αυτά χρησιμοποιώ και γω ( αρρωστος παίζω 5 - 6 ωρες μουσική κάθε μέρα ) ..και ολα πάνε ρολοι σχεδον 2 χρόνια
Inviato Sun 06 Jul 08 @ 4:51 pm
Καλησπερα παιδα!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
1.Χθες αγορασα τον Aspire 8920G-934G50BN Windows vista.Τη γνωμησας για τη αγορα αυτη?
2.Παιζω με vdj 5.0 και θελω να αγορασω για controler TORQ XPONENT. Να εμπιστευτω τη καρτα ηχου που εχει?
η'να παρω εξωτερικη?
3.ΥΓ.Εχω προβλημα φορητοτητας καθως κανω αρκετα ταξιδια
4.Τη συμβουλησας για αγορα dj cases για τα παραπανω
1.Χθες αγορασα τον Aspire 8920G-934G50BN Windows vista.Τη γνωμησας για τη αγορα αυτη?
2.Παιζω με vdj 5.0 και θελω να αγορασω για controler TORQ XPONENT. Να εμπιστευτω τη καρτα ηχου που εχει?
η'να παρω εξωτερικη?
3.ΥΓ.Εχω προβλημα φορητοτητας καθως κανω αρκετα ταξιδια
4.Τη συμβουλησας για αγορα dj cases για τα παραπανω
Inviato Fri 18 Jul 08 @ 4:10 pm
Katarxin kali epilogi gia to Xponent. H M-Audio einai kataksiwmeni etaireia sto xwro tou PC-ixou, me kales kartes ixou, ara erxetai me kales systaseis. Logika i enswmatwmeni karta ixou kai logw twn xrimatwn tha einai kali. To thema statherotitas kai aksiopistias omws tha prepei na ksereis oti eksartatai kai apo to mixanima (Laptop), alla kai apo to genikotero stisimo. Tha prepei as poume gia na exeis kai to kefali sou isyxo, na kaneis kapoia tunings sto laptop sou apenergopoiwntas diafora asxeta kai axrista gia ton dj programmata kai syskeues (Antivirus, Camera, bleutooth, wireless, klp)wste na eksasfaliseis perissoterous kata to dynato porous systimatos. Min sas ksegelane ta ypsila texnika xaraktiristika twn olokainourgiwn mixanimatwn. Tin ora tin "kakia" mporei na eisai sto orio.
Tha se symbouleua na min pareis alli karta ixou pros to paron, na dokimaseis na to stiseis me tin dikia tou kai na to exeis ypo parakolouthisi gia merikes ores i kai meres paiksimatos. Meta blepeis.
Tha se symbouleua na min pareis alli karta ixou pros to paron, na dokimaseis na to stiseis me tin dikia tou kai na to exeis ypo parakolouthisi gia merikes ores i kai meres paiksimatos. Meta blepeis.
Inviato Fri 18 Jul 08 @ 5:38 pm
Euxarisrw djdad
shmera agorasa to xponent.........................................
ayrio tha to stisw
th voithiasou gia th syndesmologia kai poio poly gia tis sound cards laptop kai xponent
th gnwmhsou gia djcases? gia at sygekrimena mhxanimata pros to parwn..........kai mia gnwmhsou gia case +ena cd player sto mellon
kai kati teleytew eirthe sta xeriamou ena cortex dmix300 kanei gia controler sto vdj?gia na to dosw se ena filaraki poy asxolite me to vdj
shmera agorasa to xponent.........................................
ayrio tha to stisw
th voithiasou gia th syndesmologia kai poio poly gia tis sound cards laptop kai xponent
th gnwmhsou gia djcases? gia at sygekrimena mhxanimata pros to parwn..........kai mia gnwmhsou gia case +ena cd player sto mellon
kai kati teleytew eirthe sta xeriamou ena cortex dmix300 kanei gia controler sto vdj?gia na to dosw se ena filaraki poy asxolite me to vdj
Inviato Mon 21 Jul 08 @ 6:40 am
kalispera paidia,epitelous epestrepsa apo paro,kai irthe i wra gia pswnia.meta apo toso kairo oi protaseis sas paramenoun sta idia?dmc maya ktl?i exei allaksei kati mesa se ayto to diastima?exei vgei kati kainourgio px pou tha to protinate anti gi ayta?
me producing exei asxolithei kaneis?skeftomoun na ksekinisw kai psaxnw programma?poio proteinete?ayta pou vasika xreiazomai,einai oso to dynaton pio epaggelmatiki poiotita ixou,na mporw na kanw remix se kommatia,na mporw diladi n analyw ena kommati px mp3,i wav kai na mporw na prostesw panw tou,i na pairnw kommatia apo ayto kai na dimiourgw kainourgia.kai fysika oso to dynaton pio eyxristo.evxaristw poly.eimai sigouros pws an i etairia tou virtul eixe asxolithei me epaggelmatiko programma gia producing tha to xane kanei super.
me producing exei asxolithei kaneis?skeftomoun na ksekinisw kai psaxnw programma?poio proteinete?ayta pou vasika xreiazomai,einai oso to dynaton pio epaggelmatiki poiotita ixou,na mporw na kanw remix se kommatia,na mporw diladi n analyw ena kommati px mp3,i wav kai na mporw na prostesw panw tou,i na pairnw kommatia apo ayto kai na dimiourgw kainourgia.kai fysika oso to dynaton pio eyxristo.evxaristw poly.eimai sigouros pws an i etairia tou virtul eixe asxolithei me epaggelmatiko programma gia producing tha to xane kanei super.
Inviato Fri 24 Oct 08 @ 9:14 pm
gia soundcard - audio 8 dj
gia controller - vestax(den thymamai montelo),numark dmc 2
gia remix - sony acid(arketa kalo gia arxi kai eykolo),ableton live,mackie tracktion,den sou leo cubase k nuendo giati den tha vgaleis akri
gia controller - vestax(den thymamai montelo),numark dmc 2
gia remix - sony acid(arketa kalo gia arxi kai eykolo),ableton live,mackie tracktion,den sou leo cubase k nuendo giati den tha vgaleis akri
Inviato Sat 25 Oct 08 @ 7:34 am
paidia eftase i wra gia to dmc 2,epeidi fovamai poly oti tha pesw se apatewnes voithiste me ligo,apo pou na to agorasw,i diafora stis times apo site se site me tromazei ligo.to vrika apo 450 evrw,mexri 150 dolaria kai free shipping.exete kapoio askiopisto site,kai gia ta metaforika kai gia tin poiotita me kales times?giati fovamai na dokimasw etsi sti tyxi ti prwti epilogi tou google.
Inviato Wed 24 Dec 08 @ 8:56 pm
Nikos_peiraias wrote :
paidia eftase i wra gia to dmc 2,epeidi fovamai poly oti tha pesw se apatewnes voithiste me ligo,apo pou na to agorasw,i diafora stis times apo site se site me tromazei ligo.to vrika apo 450 evrw,mexri 150 dolaria kai free shipping.exete kapoio askiopisto site,kai gia ta metaforika kai gia tin poiotita me kales times?giati fovamai na dokimasw etsi sti tyxi ti prwti epilogi tou google.
ama to agoraseis apo internet pare to napo to thomann.de allios apo ton lmnaio stin stoa feksi
Inviato Wed 24 Dec 08 @ 11:12 pm
Ego to agorasa apo to pio kato site,poly aksioposto kai exo agorasei para ma para polla pragmata apo ayto to site kai se ola o.k kai me arketa grigori paradosi malista kai sto spiti sou.
http://www.recordcase.de/Numark+DMC+2.htm
http://www.recordcase.de/Numark+DMC+2.htm
Inviato Thu 25 Dec 08 @ 3:03 am
akoma kai ayta ta site pou mou lete exoun 100 evrw diafora metaksy tous.efoson omws kai ta 2 einai aksiopista tha paw gia to pio ftino pou mexri stigmis einai to thomann
Inviato Thu 25 Dec 08 @ 4:48 am
apo thomann parto. Sto stelnoun me ELTA Taxymetafores stin porta sou se 4-5 ergasimes.
Inviato Tue 30 Dec 08 @ 11:08 am
gia mousikh paragwgh pantws, synistw n xekinhseis me to ableton live. exei tutorials dika tou k an psaxteis me videakia st youtube 8a tou pareis ton aera siga siga (exallou kanei k gia live DJing - o Sasha tosa xronia kati parapanw xerei.... :P)
Inviato Sat 03 Jan 09 @ 12:40 pm