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Were talking about rane. A very good company thats makes excellent sounding products
 

It sounds good because its a basic program with a soundcard made specifically for it, it's not hard to make a program sound crisp and clear.

VDJ on the other hand can either sound better or worse, depending on the chosen hardware of the user, and the users understanding of the (over complex IMO) settings in VDJ.

But all the fantastic things they say about SSL have been somehow damaged, in the minds of the "elitist" users, because they're about to launch a program called ITCH, which enters very much into VDJ's territory, a non timecode focused application it's based on controller support and more extensive features, apparently this is a bad thing.

Rane is a great company, but they sure know how to recruit self important customers, with a very deluded mindset, I don't speak for all of the users (that would be stupid), but I've been over to their forum and most seem like real hot shots, you'd cry if you didn't laugh!
 
virtualdj messed up when about 2 years ago at this official website it said something to the effect that its not recommended for the hip-hop style djs.. that was somewhere in the history or features part of the website. i couldnt believe it when i read that..
i think it had something to do with latency and scratching..
vdj has never recovered from that and more ppl go to serato i think because of that..

i didnt make that up. it was in this website.
 


Serato Vinyls now works perfect in Virtual DJ 5.1....

All SSL users and others that might have easier access to these vinyls than the VDJ ones, should give it a try ;))

Use the Noisemap engine in VDJ timecode setup to use SSL vinyls
 
dj-in-norway wrote :


Serato Vinyls now works perfect in Virtual DJ 5.1....

All SSL users and others that might have easier access to these vinyls than the VDJ ones, should give it a try ;))

Use the Noisemap engine in VDJ timecode setup to use SSL vinyls

ALL PRAISE DEV TEAM AND NORWAY>>>>.sending bottles of patron and everclear as we speak
 
Ooooh. Hope that is a bottle of Patron Platinum!
 
Now virtual dj needs to do is design its own interface. ( Not Numark virtual Vinyl ) a box that says virtual dj on it. The Box and software equals less complications because, the hardware would be designed for it. 100 percent compatable. It would be nice if they do that but i dont think the would.............

 
it might ;)

who knows, maybe one day.. would like to see it happen too :)
 
The real great thing about virtualdj is that if your soundcard,or maybe controller gone defective,you can always use another hardware,it doesn't limit you to a black box,that maybe dont even sell in your country.And also midi control,most dj today must have a little computer knowledge and that makes it easy to do all type of crazy tricks,midi control, etc with vdj. And as for all you other djs,this is the way of the future VDJ, if you are using something else, I wish you luck.
 
to say that that i almost bought serato,im glad i stood with virtual dj,its true every club i go,serato is mostly used by the dj playing there,but im happy to say that ive played at clubs and i run into djs there that run with serato cause that was their first buying option,a dj there that was playing in onother room of the club so he checked out my set up and ws impress by my VDJ,he started analyzing the effects and samples,i guess its harder to play effects on serato or something cause he said it was to play samples on hes serato(i think he said that),i honestly havent used serato my self to really have understand wt he was trying to say.so yeah my point is that serato users,have been impressed by VDJ.i guess there is a limit to what you can do wt serato.VDJ seems expandable.
 
@ dj zero degrees

- maybe you should stand by VDJ further and purchase the software - or enter register your serial number.

@ gang5ta

- i am a hiphop dj and have used VDJ since i began. i guess its a preference thing that i dont use serato. even tho it was developed in my backyard - its cheaper to buy serato from the States than here in NZ.
 
edit: I realize some may not care about this thing, there are horrible PA setups there that can mask these issues and I wouldn't care if I didn't hear it.

Some rambling on this theme since I've given it a bit of thought as it comes up now and then, correct me if I'm wrong as some of it's just what I know from reading the web.


If you don't use (master tempo, the internal EQ or the actions that skip data rather than bend the speed) VDJ sound is as good as rest of your audio chain is.

Serato had slightly different appoach than VDJ/Atomix:

Atomix was doing research until it perfected algo for finding the beat energy. And then moved focus on productizing it and improving other things rather than doing more dsp stuff - the master tempo algo is not in house developed for example and many effects came from users with skill to do them.

Serato focus from the beginning was the stretch algo and ten years of improving it is paying off (just in term of audio quality when master tempo is on, they've done some marketing things better as well). They also had market for it in studio use so all that time on research is probably paid off long ago.

Atomix had to have a go at the DJ market straight up since at the time it was definetely the best move and Serato was nowhere to be found in the DJ market. Now why Serato took over atleast in some areas from vinyls/VDJ is another thing but clearly you can see the companies have had different focus on what type of DJ they target if you look where VDJ came from. Atomix/VDJ end up increasing their price at one point and try establish a "pro" image but it's a bit late in the game. Where Serato spent all their time and effort on the basic things you expect from this type of product, Atomix had forum full of users wishing cool features before Serato had anything going. While I remember threads wishing for better sound quality in this product, very few could have pointed out that "in the future when you add master tempo the sound quality will be primarily dependant on how it's implemented" and even if you knew that what then, spend years on getting that right this late in the game when users want it now and may move to other prog if you don't give it to them?

Maybe the only way to match Serato audio quality with master tempo enabled without making the price skyrocket (license) or hoping for miracles: have a plugin interface for the master tempo algorithm and then if the user has Serato installed, he can use some user made unofficial hack to wire up the Serato algo through the plugin interface. Not really ideal though because you'd still need the Serato to fix VDJ and might be against eula Serato user have made upon installing. And if *you* were Serato, would you even want to license your only competitive advantage to competitors? Thought so!
 
The reason why serato is sucsessful is because, they designed something to work perfect with your exsisting equipment like your tuntables and cd players. If you only focus on making software to perform well in its own hardware.. What problems will you have... None at all...

Virtual dj is a universal program that allows you to use many interfaces etc. Its good and bad. The good is that you can choose many options but the bad is that, you have to do many adjustements. Its better to use hardware & software made by the same company like vitual vinyl, serato, M audio, trakkktor etc. I know how much work it is for the software writters to make changes all the time to keep up with everything coming out new. making so many adjustments to make everything work is not easy. Universal is not 100 % compatable. Focusing on one thing only will work flawless. The fact is that, no matter what interface you use, or how low you adjust the latecity. You will still get the same outcome as every complete dj package like serato, or trakktor, torq

Ive been say for the longest for virtual dj to make its own hardware so it can be compatable.. If you look at the dj profiles that virtual dj is adding to show of the big names using it, you dont see them using virtual dj, they all have virtual vinyl... Virtual vinyl is a complete package

Virtual vinyl is the same as virtual dj but, the name on the package is what matters.. The djs are not going to say i use virtual dj...

What happened to the marketing...

 
Can anyone help I have Vdj pro, pioneer 800s , pioneer mixer and serato sratch live box . How do I configure the timecode settings and all other settings so that I have total control with my mixer and cdjs? Please help
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dj-in-norway wrote :


Serato Vinyls now works perfect in Virtual DJ 5.1....

All SSL users and others that might have easier access to these vinyls than the VDJ ones, should give it a try ;))

Use the Noisemap engine in VDJ timecode setup to use SSL vinyls

NO , Serato Vinyls are working but not OK .
Same with Traktor Vinyls .
 

Serato vinyls works perfect with VDJ...
The new noicemap engine sorted that..

I use it, and so does Coldcut and many others...

I know you have some issues, but the wast majority here find the Serato vinyls to work perfect with VDJ, and some even better than VDJ own timecode
 
I also used the serato vinyl (2nd edition) and it work good too. Traktor vinyl, yup it's a no go.

Regards;)
 
dj-in-norway wrote :

Serato vinyls works perfect with VDJ...
The new noicemap engine sorted that..

I use it, and so does Coldcut and many others...

I know you have some issues, but the wast majority here find the Serato vinyls to work perfect with VDJ, and some even better than VDJ own timecode

For me Serato Vinyls are not working ok , same as traktor scratch vinyls ...I lose signal everytime ...BTW : with vdj vinyls are all ok
 
Just a little consideration:
yesterday I saw that serato website says:
Scratch Live The Number One Solution for Professional DJs

What parameters have they got to say it?

For example I don't like that I can't use Serato without any external hardware..instead VDJ works only with the mouse!!
 
Is it just me or do the serato timecode vinyl sound better than virtual dj's vinyl?I through away my virtual dj Tcv for the use of serato Tcv which IMO sounds closer to vinyl in vdj than its own vdj timecode.
 
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